Serial

[dabvu2498]

Yeah, but if you were on a jury, knowing what we currently know, could you convict him?

Probably not of first degree, no, probably not.

The trial was six weeks long. We've heard about 6 hours of "testimony." The jury, who sat through 6 weeks of trial, deliberated 2 hours. I can't help but think we're being pointed in a direction by our narrator.

Do I think there's enough evidence that he was "in on it" in some way, beyond a reasonable doubt? Absolutely. And there's another bit of evidence that the jury wouldn't have known about and that Koenig hasn't revealed (yet), but it's available in current court filings and the legitimate news articles about this story that are making the rounds. (No. I won't spoil it here. )

[Razor Shines]

Send me a link dude and your inbox is full.

[dabvu2498]

Send me a link dude and your inbox is full.

My sent box was full!!!

Your link is sent.

[R_Webb18]

There's a slate podcast about the podcast. They did a podcast about stuff from the web from places like Reddit. There was a theory on why Jay might of done it himself but don't wanna spoil anything. I don't know if they plan on bringing it up but they might.

[dabvu2498]

Who listened today?

Jay got the greatest deal of any deal ever dealt.

Even if he told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, it's still quite stunning. I wonder if he snitched anyone else out as part of his agreement. You know, since he bragged about being the "criminal element of Woodlawn."

[Razor Shines]

Who listened today?

Jay got the greatest deal of any deal ever dealt.

Even if he told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, it's still quite stunning. I wonder if he snitched anyone else out as part of his agreement. You know, since he bragged about being the "criminal element of Woodlawn."

A free private attorney provided by the prosecutor and no jail time after being heavily involved in a murder. Why? They could have gotten what they needed from him without giving away the farm.

There are theories out there that the police already had found her car and staged the whole thing about Jay leading them to it. I don't buy that but they certainly brought that kind of questioning on themselves by giving him such a ridiculous deal.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The fact the prosecutor got him a pro bono lawyer is super shady.

[dabvu2498]

She got a mistrial over virtually nothing during the first trial. I can't fathom how she didn't get disbarred after she found that out. (Gutierrez, that is.) It was literally such a misappropriation of justice, that it might have been worth it.

The judge's logic for allowing Jay's testimony to stand was just slightly south of horrific also.

[pedro]

I love this podcast!

I'm not sure what I think. It seems to me that Adnon's lawyer sucked and was incredibly unlikable and that Jay's story is bull****. But I'm not convinced that his friend story that it happened in the library parking lot and that Adnon threatened Jay regarding Jenn makes more sense but why isn't that Jay's story? Still have last episode to listen to...

[NebraskaRed]

She got a mistrial over virtually nothing during the first trial. I can't fathom how she didn't get disbarred after she found that out. (Gutierrez, that is.) It was literally such a misappropriation of justice, that it might have been worth it.

The judge's logic for allowing Jay's testimony to stand was just slightly south of horrific also.

Her logic was, "Jay doesn't seem to know that this is inappropriate and that he's getting bought off, so we'll let it go."

Insane. Absolutely insane.

[WildcatFan]

I'm getting caught up on this podcast, too, and I have to echo everybody else that it's terrific. If you are enjoying this, take some time and watch "The Staircase" on YouTube (for free, in 8 45-minute installments) about the Michael Peterson trial. Similar premise and just as captivating.

[*BaseClogger*]

She got a mistrial over virtually nothing during the first trial. I can't fathom how she didn't get disbarred after she found that out. (Gutierrez, that is.) It was literally such a misappropriation of justice, that it might have been worth it.

Would you expand on this? I was hoping some of RZ's lawyers would chime in on this podcast. Thanks!

[dabvu2498]

Would you expand on this? I was hoping some of RZ's lawyers would chime in on this podcast. Thanks!

It's more of a Gutierrez-thing than a law thing. She clearly had a fondness for theatrics. After the fit she through in the first trial, I'm just surprised that they didn't have to haul her out of there in cuffs after the Jay-bombshell.

[Razor Shines]

So this thing really is gonna end with a whimper isn't it? Don't get me wrong I'm still fascinated by the show and I'll listen to whatever they do for season two but I think I'm guilty of needing to realize that this is real. It's not True Detective, it can't be nicely wrapped up. Sarah said at one point she didn't want to get the end of this and be like *shrug* "I don't know" but there's not really any other way for this to end.

[dabvu2498]

This week's episode was pretty worthless. I kinda wish they'd recorded it all ahead of time, so they wouldn't have to deal with the "distractions" that I'm sure they're getting now... Most of which seem to be leading down giant rabbit holes.