Yep.Originally Posted by kbrake
Had a 105 ERA+ in his 8 years here, which would have been better save for his awful 2011 and his propensity to give up 10 runs in 2 innings once or twice every year.
He had far more good starts than bad during his time as a Red.
Yep, he will also show up and give great interviews all over the place and smile and shake hands with people who will remember his high kick, arm slots, cheesy guitar and flowing hair.
Not the speed of his fastball or his ERA+
and this.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
We'll remember him anchoring the 2016 rotation.
Go Gators!
I really don't understand those incapable of appreciating what Arroyo was. He's one of my favorite Reds of all time, and was one of the first arms in damn near decades that this organization could count on to go out there every 5 days and throw a quality start. No he was never an ace, but I think to a large extent he played a huge role on that starting staff (as Mat Latos himself discussed in an interview earlier this year), and is one of the most popular guys from the Dusty Baker era Reds. Quite honestly he's one of the Reds I'll remember the fondest.
Sure Cincinnati will remember a guy who started for the Reds for so long. But his career with them isnt associated with anything memorable, as player he was average to back end of the rotation for his tenure, was more a testament (or really a bellwether for the quality of the reds defense) to his defense than anything, and nationally, he's got a cool bobblehead for the small group of fans who are into that. Locally, a fan favorite. nationally a bobble head. History won't much remember that.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
And? History, in the sense you're talking about, doesn't remember 95% of players. Why does that warrant a comment?
Why doesn't it warrant a comment? The discussion is about the magnitude of his greatness. He wasn't even great for the Reds as a player. He was around a long time as a Red at a position where the organization lacks poster boys. He was a fan favorite.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
I think Arroyo will be remembered nationally for awhile for the play in the ALCS where he ran to first on a come backer and scumbag A-rod slapped the ball out of his glove.
Arroyo was certainly a BOR starter, there were times where I complained about him, but now that he is gone I miss him on the Reds.
beef hoaagggiiiieeee!
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Texas is very worried about Shin-Soo Choo, who is been absolutely abysmal this month (.096). Team higher-ups have had extensive talks about his unfathomable slump, and there seems to be a belief in his talent but also a belief that the $130-million free-agent contract is weighing on him. There also may be a confidence issue. If Texas grows impatient, well, the Yankees still like him (they actually bid about the same, $140 million but with state tax), and they may still – though a deal would be highly unlikely as a good chunk of that contract would have to be offset …
If his confidence is the problem, I'm not sure going to New York is the answer.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
Unless he wants to be humiliated
Texas is very worried about Shin-Soo Choo, who is been absolutely abysmal this month (.096). Team higher-ups have had extensive talks about his unfathomable slump, and there seems to be a belief in his talent but also a belief that the $130-million free-agent contract is weighing on him. There also may be a confidence issue. If Texas grows impatient, well, the Yankees still like him (they actually bid about the same, $140 million but with state tax), and they may still – though a deal would be highly unlikely as a good chunk of that contract would have to be offset …
Ma$e reference.... /thread
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