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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    As daily fantasy sports has blossomed into a multibillion-dollar industry in the past year, DraftKings and FanDuel have become cherished sponsors of M.L.B. and N.F.L. franchises.

    Eilers Research, which studies the industry, estimates that daily games will generate around $2.6 billion in entry fees this year and grow 41 percent annually, reaching $14.4 billion in 2020. So high are the potential financial rewards that DraftKings and FanDuel have found eager partners in N.F.L. teams, even as league executives remain staunch opponents of sports betting.

    Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys and Robert K. Kraft of the New England Patriots have stakes in DraftKings, which recently struck a three-year deal with the N.F.L. to become a partner of the league’s International Series in Britain, where sports betting is legal. In addition, DraftKings has tapped hundreds of millions of dollars from Fox Sports, and FanDuel has raised similar amounts from investors like Comcast, NBC and KKR.


    I find it interesting that ProFootballFocus no longer offers their "premium statistics" to anyone other than NFL franchises. I've quoted their findings numerous times here with information such as Dalton's pass-breakdowns when under pressure over the last four games, or Gio's specific ability to pick up the blitz over the last three games, or Kevin Zeitler's improved performance in run-blocking over the last two games, etc., etc., etc. That information is gone. Gone to me. Gone to Rotoworld. Gone to ESPN. Gone to anyone other than the 19 NFL teams that are paying them for it right now.

    Why? There's got to be something more to it than just 19 teams wanting to keep the information away from the other 13 teams. That makes zero sense. What makes sense is if the DraftKings and FanDuel, through the $100M dollars they are paying NFL teams for advertising, got the NFL to put the screws to PFF so that the information wouldn't be available to potential DraftKings and FanDuel players.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Why would FanDuel and Draftkings care if that information was available to players? It doesn't impact them either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by top6 View Post
    Why would FanDuel and Draftkings care if that information was available to players? It doesn't impact them either way.
    Maybe because the information is too valuable and effects their ability for their bots to manipulate the results.

    Don't know at all. Just saying that it doesn't make a lot of sense why PFF would stop selling the service to the masses...at any price.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    I'm still not seeing how it's a scam. I fear the word scam must mean different things to us all.

    Like does a site need for everyone to make money on it before it's not a scam?

    The employee misconduct thing is legit a problem, if that is widespread then it's a problem.

    How would a bot work in a situation where you are setting one lineup? Poker bots work because they are reacting to other player's play - a situation that doesn't exist in daily fantasy (i.e. you don't get data on other players until after lineups are locked.)
    This is where I am as well. Unless they're changing their lineups as the games are played, I don't see how it's a scam. I've never played the lottery but daily fantasy appeals to me so I don't fit in the category of "very stupid lottery aficionados" maybe there should be an "or" in there, maybe I fit in just the "very stupid" category. He seems like a reasonable person, I'm sure he'll tell me.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Uh oh

    @darrenrovell: NY Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has launched an inquiry into DraftKings and FanDuel
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    I'm still not seeing how it's a scam. I fear the word scam must mean different things to us all.
    Yeah, that's definitely an issue here. I, personally, set the bar for "scam" fairly low. If it strikes me as morally dubious, I'll just say "scam," but I know a more conventional definition would tend to involve criminal activity.

    I'll double-down on my sense that daily fantasy is "unfair" and "wrong," regardless of "legality." Even before the revelations of this week, it seemed like it was very hard to have fun and/or make money using daily fantasy products (you're not just playing against a bunch of cheaters, but the company itself was structuring things pretty unfairly for casual players, resulting in an environment that is basically the same as playing the lottery).... at least with the revelations of this week, we'll get a better look at the "legality" issue.

    And I say this as a person who was an active online poker player, so it's not like I'm some law-hugging goober. I just really don't see what daily fantasy is offering the customer other than a false narrative...

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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    What am i missing here: I cannot make a $5 bet online with William Hill which is totally regulated and has 100% built in security. But I can bet a zillion dollars on Draft kings or Fanduel where it seems like the inmates are running the assylum?

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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    I'm still not seeing how it's a scam. I fear the word scam must mean different things to us all.

    Like does a site need for everyone to make money on it before it's not a scam?

    The employee misconduct thing is legit a problem, if that is widespread then it's a problem.

    How would a bot work in a situation where you are setting one lineup? Poker bots work because they are reacting to other player's play - a situation that doesn't exist in daily fantasy (i.e. you don't get data on other players until after lineups are locked.)
    "Scam" is the wrong word. The problem is that the operators of these sites have not spent the money necessary to provide adequate security and insure that insiders are not gaming the system. An intelligent gambler wants to make sure that he is getting a fair shake, and if he isn't, he won't bet. When I go to the track, I do so with the knowledge that racing spends millions of dollars making sure that their system is secure, that all bets are locked before the horses enter the gate, not a few seconds after they break. When there is a lot of money at stake, people will try to take advantage of the system. They always have and they always will. fantasy operators have gotten away without spending the money necessary to protect the public from these folks. They can't continue to operate in such a fashion.

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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    What am i missing here: I cannot make a $5 bet online with William Hill which is totally regulated and has 100% built in security. But I can bet a zillion dollars on Draft kings or Fanduel where it seems like the inmates are running the assylum?
    I think the issue remains that online bookmaking is open to manipulation via things like point shaving / game fixing, etc. while daily fantasy sports creates no such incentive. It would be tremendously difficult, if not impossible, for any 1 player (or even any 1 team) to impact the results of a daily fantasy pot by throwing a game or for an official in a game to a daily fantasy game the way, say, Tim Donaghy manipulated things.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    DraftKings and FanDuel being investigated by the NY Attorney General:

    In seemingly inevitable news, the New York Times reports that New York state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has demanded the two duopolistic daily fantasy companies—DraftKings and FanDuel—provide a truckload of information as he looks into “the prospect that employees of daily fantasy football sites have won lucrative payouts based on inside information not available to the public.”
    Earlier today, on Outside the Lines, Darren Rovell reported that according to a FanDuel spokesperson, DraftKings employees have won 0.3% of all money won at FanDuel. According to Rovell FanDuel has given out “close to $2 billion” in its history, meaning DraftKings employees have won in the neighborhood of $6 million, assuming FanDuel is telling the truth here. And if they aren’t, Schneiderman is going to find out.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    An intelligent gambler wants to make sure that he is getting a fair shake.
    An intelligent gambler stacks the odds in his favor. A really intelligent gambler knows the outcome before he places his bet.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    They can get around the NY AG. When they're in trouble is when the FCC gets involved.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    An intelligent gambler stacks the odds in his favor. A really intelligent gambler knows the outcome before he places his bet.
    And the smartest of all of them own the casino.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

    With the barrage of advertising and the very prominent way that DraftKings and FanDuel have bought their way into professional sports via co-branding, sponsorship with major sports, and paid segments on ESPN, it was inevitable that the microscope was going to focus on their business practices.

    Though, I'd note, none of the investigations thus far are into the legality of the concept of DFS, just the business practices and recordkeeping that would allow someone on the inside to game the system.
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    Re: Any of you guys play DraftKings or Fanduel

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

    With the barrage of advertising and the very prominent way that DraftKings and FanDuel have bought their way into professional sports via co-branding, sponsorship with major sports, and paid segments on ESPN, it was inevitable that the microscope was going to focus on their business practices.

    Though, I'd note, none of the investigations thus far are into the legality of the concept of DFS, just the business practices and recordkeeping that would allow someone on the inside to game the system.
    It reminds me a lot of what happened with Absolute Poker back in the day.
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