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    Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/entert...eat/index.html

    That's what it amounts to every year, I guess. Still no ELO, which is just silly at this point. No Nillson either, in spite of an organized campaign. We do have The Cars Deep Purple, Yes, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Steve Miller, and LaToya Jackson's big sister.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Steve Miller is a no brainer. I love The Cars.

    I am not really seeing Chicago. Some of their songs are fantastic, but they became awful during the 80s. Not really seeing Cheap Trick, seems like they really only have 3-4 good songs. I know exactly one song by Yes, it is a great one, but cannot say much else. I know little to nothing about Deep Purple as well. That is more of a me-problem, though. Janet Jackson sold a ton of records.

    It is a travesty that ELO is not in yet. Same with Phish.

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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Steve Miller is a no brainer. I love The Cars.

    I am not really seeing Chicago. Some of their songs are fantastic, but they became awful during the 80s. Not really seeing Cheap Trick, seems like they really only have 3-4 good songs. I know exactly one song by Yes, it is a great one, but cannot say much else. I know little to nothing about Deep Purple as well. That is more of a me-problem, though. Janet Jackson sold a ton of records.

    It is a travesty that ELO is not in yet. Same with Phish.
    Cheap Trick should get in for their first 4 Albums

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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I know exactly one song by Yes, it is a great one, but cannot say much else.
    Roundabout?

    Yes should have been in years ago. Highly talented group of musicians. But the HOF has not been kind to progressive rock bands (other then Pink Floyd and Genesis). Here's one take on why they, as well as some other progressive rock bands (ELO?) aren't in... http://rockhall.com/blog/post/5442_a...y-no-yes-in-t/

    Prog rock’s status in the Rock Hall is less about bias and corruption than it is a reflection of the changing history of the definition of rock and roll itself. From its inception, prog rock got a mixed reception. As Covach himself has shown in his book What’s That Sound? An Introduction to Rock and Its History, many critics originally saw the music as pretentious and some rock fans were turned off by prog’s lofty subject matter.

    By drawing from classical elements, prog rock implied to some that rock itself wasn’t artistically interesting or important enough to contain its complex ideas. And for many critics prog strayed too far from rock’s African-American origins, reinforcing the stereotype that associated European music with the intellect and African music with the body.

    For others critics and fans, prog just got out of hand. The elaborate art work, stage productions and concept albums became emblematic of rock’s 1970s excesses, and a perfect target for punk rock’s assault.
    But then the article goes on to say (concerning the above position)...

    One could argue that these responses are, in fact, biases, but doing so shuts down an important discussion about artistic standards and objectivity. Standards for artistic merit cannot be objective, precisely because they are historically and culturally constructed.

    The standard for artistic value in music, visual art, literature or any art form is fluid, shifting over time and fluctuating with cultural conditions and different audiences. At its birth, rock and roll itself was derided as primitive jungle music. Such a response was motivated by racism and the backlash of major record labels towards the economic threat of rising independent labels like Sun and Specialty.

    If prog rockers considered Bo Diddley too simple, or punk rockers rejected ELP as pretentious, it’s not bias. It’s a debate over how to define the music and the parameters of that debate are always in flux. This is neither a problem nor a failure. While we need to be aware of how our own judgments about value are specific to our own time, interests and taste, we can never truly escape those things.
    Conclusion?..... the Rock n Roll HOF is still a joke IMO.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Joan Jett is in so just let everyone in. I'm surprised the Cars aren't already in.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    I would love to see REO Speedwagon get in. While they had their big payday in the early/mid '80s, they had a lot of great songs in the '70s that people seem to forget. Kevin Cronin (lead singer), while not an original member, is from the Chicagoland area. The band itself was founded in Champaign. Gary Richrath (former guitar player) passed away earlier this year.

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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red in Chicago View Post
    I would love to see REO Speedwagon get in. While they had their big payday in the early/mid '80s, they had a lot of great songs in the '70s that people seem to forget. Kevin Cronin (lead singer), while not an original member, is from the Chicagoland area. The band itself was founded in Champaign. Gary Richrath (former guitar player) passed away earlier this year.

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    Roll With The Changes
    Time For Me To Fly
    Keep On Loving You
    Take It On The Run
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    I am seeing REO tonight in concert. I last saw them in 1987. Yes, they should be in for sure. Bad Company should be in or least in the near future.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by goreds2 View Post
    I am seeing REO tonight in concert. I last saw them in 1987. Yes, they should be in for sure. Bad Company should be in or least in the near future.

    So how was the concert?
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    I'm probably biggest on The Cars and Cheap Trick, which shows my age. I like Steve Miller, but for whatever reason I'm so-so on his induction. I want to support Chicago for old times' sake (and the Terry Kath stuff), but I'm not sure much of the music holds up as well.

    An aside connecting the nominated and the snubbed, Terry Kath's widow has been accompanying Jeff Lynne recently. She was also married to Kiefer Sutherland for a bit. I'm not sure how he fits in, but I thought I'd mention it.

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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Just saw this article from May about a Rolling Stone readers' poll on who should get in. Interesting that four of the top five were nominated this year.

    btw, I like Deep Purple (absolutely loved the "Perfect Strangers" LP), and this article suggests that their problem was that they were too European, but I've always thought all the personnel changes hurt their chances.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by marcshoe View Post
    Just saw this article from May about a Rolling Stone readers' poll on who should get in. Interesting that four of the top five were nominated this year.

    btw, I like Deep Purple (absolutely loved the "Perfect Strangers" LP), and this article suggests that their problem was that they were too European, but I've always thought all the personnel changes hurt their chances.
    Good to see some love for ELO, Warren Zevon and Iron Maiden.

    Sidenote: The article mentions the lack of progressive rock bands inducted in the HOF - I'd argue that ELO falls under that category, to a certain extent - and, IMHO, given that, Jethro Tull is every bit as deserving as Yes.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Revering4Blue View Post
    Good to see some love for ELO, Warren Zevon and Iron Maiden.

    Sidenote: The article mentions the lack of progressive rock bands inducted in the HOF - I'd argue that ELO falls under that category, to a certain extent - and, IMHO, given that, Jethro Tull is every bit as deserving as Yes.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by marcshoe View Post
    Just saw this article from May about a Rolling Stone readers' poll on who should get in. Interesting that four of the top five were nominated this year.

    btw, I like Deep Purple (absolutely loved the "Perfect Strangers" LP), and this article suggests that their problem was that they were too European, but I've always thought all the personnel changes hurt their chances.
    I bled Deep Purple in the 70s. Wore the grooves out of the album Machine Head (LOL). One of my favorite songs is Strange Kind of Woman. Got a live version that will knock your socks off!

    Still one of my favorite rock bands. And yes, Perfect Strangers is an awesome album.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    For once, I'm not going to spend a significant amount of time pointing out the glaring omissions of artists that are not on the ballot - ELO, the Cure, Chubby Checker and Joy Division, for example. For once, I'll simply state that, IMHO, judging solely from the list of nominees this year, the five most obvious choices, in no particular order:

    The Spinners

    Chaka Khan (Her time/work with Rufus comes into play)

    The Smiths

    The last two should go to the AOR crowd, and given that, most likely (throwing out personal preferences)

    Deep Purple (If Black Sabbath is in, Deep Purple should be, as well)

    Draw either Yes, Steve Miller or Chicago out of a hat.

    Full disclosure: I'm as big of a fan of the Cars and Cheap Trick as anyone and believe that both will be inducted eventually, but Yes, Steve Miller and Chicago have been factors for a much longer period of time, so they get the nod.
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    Re: Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs thread.

    Chicago is one of the most successful bands of all time, man tough crowd.

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