This is a hell of a meltdown over a somewhat better version of Rookie Davis.
This is a hell of a meltdown over a somewhat better version of Rookie Davis.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
alwaysawarrior (06-05-2017),cincyinco (06-03-2017),OGB (06-07-2017),TRF (06-05-2017)
That's based on nada.
What meltdown? By showing Lively's excellent stats after my last post was called craziness?
Look, I had a feeling about Lively the year they drafted him. Still do. Just look at the production. It's "crazy" to think he's better than Robert Stephenson? Look at their career minor league stats. Lively has been significantly better. You take their names out of the equation and it would be laughable.
What would you say.....ya do here?
There's a reason you don't simply scout the line. David Holmberg was a freaking ace going by minor leagues before coming to the Reds. Lively at age 25 also had plenty of time to marinate in AA and AAA since leaving the Reds, it seems safe to say if the Phils really believed in him he'd have been up earlier.
Lively could wind up having a better career than Stephenson, but in that scenario Stephenson completely washes out of baseball and Lively becomes Sam LeCure. You still go with the upside of a Stephenson every time.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
757690 (06-03-2017)
Holmberg: false
http://www.baseball-reference.com/re...d=holmbe001dav
More hits than IP, 3.68 career milb era, 7.1 k/9
Stephenson: I get the upside thing, but Stephenson's numbers outweigh the upside IMO. I believe Stephenson got overhyped by a lot of experts and they won't admit he sucks now as a result. JMO.
What would you say.....ya do here?
I said before coming to the Reds, look at the numbers when he was with Arizona. He's just one more obvious example.
This is all because you "had a feeling" about Lively and he dominated minor leaguers with his craftiness. Did you miss where he didn't strike out a single batter in 7 innings? How far exactly do you think he's going with a 0.0 K/9?
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
I just don't think you give up 100 less hits than innings pitches because craftiness.
Yea, I didn't see his results today. Has nothing to with my opinion, good or bad. I saw his name when this thread popped up and it brought back old memories. Especially with how horrible the Reds rotation is right now.
What would you say.....ya do here?
You can't scout a statline. You shouldn't try to do so, either.
My problem with trading Lively for Byrd was that Byrd was a convicted PED user, who failed a test after his time with the Reds, which means that he likely was cheating when a Red.
But one thing to consider is that the Reds were able to trade Byrd to the Giants for Stephen Johnson, who was a decent prospect when he was acquired. I'm guessing he and Lively were similarly ranked at that time, though someone smarter than me can clarify this. The fact that Johnson never made it to the majors and Lively did, does make it hurt a bit, but neither were ever considered anything beyond a fringe prospect.
That said, it sure would be great to have Lively starting for the Reds right now.
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What would you say.....ya do here?
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