“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
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The counter-argument to that is that StL has 3 players - 2 of which are semi-valuable contributors and we don't know what Pena contributes behind the scenes - to the Reds 1 for approximately the same money. As I said before, there are those that believe if you got rid of Votto's contract, you could get 2-3 valuable contributors for the money.
It's not going to matter to those people when his salary is diminished compared to other players. All they see is $21M. Even if someone produced like Mike Trout year after year and played like Pete Rose with the personality of Sean Casey, they would complain he's overpaid and openly imagine what the Reds could get for him in a trade.
wlf WV (09-15-2016)
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P a Y ~ F L e X X
alwaysawarrior (09-15-2016),Big Klu (09-14-2016),Ron Madden (09-15-2016)
Votto is great but how great will he be when the Reds are able to contend again? Doesn't it make sense to explore every avenue to make the team better long term?
When I see the 2016 Reds, I see a 100 loss team and no direction.
I think he fades gradually (or stays strong) a la Chipper Jones or David Ortiz. Health is certainly a risk and could change everything but that goes for all old dudes. He has too much talent and is too smart to just fall off the table. He will adjust and should stay a plus-hitter.
Ron Madden (09-15-2016)
(Referring to Jack Hannahan signing with a Korean team)
Since there are no teams on the moon, I guess South Korea's far enough from Cincinnati to satisfy me.
-RichRed
So you gain pay flex if you don't have to give up any money which could be a good thing considering his contract is considered the worst in baseball because we are small market. I think his eye and hit tool will age gracefully but will his bat slow down enough that he is challenged more by pitchers? Will his ability to defend go downhill drastically Ashe ages. I hope not. I like votto and he apparently wants to be a red for life. You listen to offers with no intent to trade and unless you are blown away, which will not happen, he is a red for life. Let's value what we see out of this guy instead of dream scenarios of trading him.
Last edited by Griffey012; 09-15-2016 at 09:12 AM.
"Today was the byproduct of us thinking we can come back from anything." - Joey Votto after blowing a 10-1 lead and holding on for the 12-11 win on 8/25/2010.
marcshoe (09-15-2016)
It is on the whole probable that we continually dream, but that consciousness makes such a noise that we do not hear it. Carl Jung.
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