I thought MLB paying for college was part of the CBA now. Does that count against the draft cap? I don't know the answer.Originally Posted by 19braves77
I thought MLB paying for college was part of the CBA now. Does that count against the draft cap? I don't know the answer.
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The College Scholarship Program allows teams to offer to fund the remaining college education of players who sign, and the cost of education does not count toward the team’s bonus pool. The plan does not force teams to pay for the education; the exact terms are negotiated before the player signs. There are two key changes to the College Scholarship Plan.
First, there is a two-year redemption window for the player to take advantage of the scholarship after his career ends.
Second, players can now redeem the CSP at most accredited institutions (including vocational schools), but not at for-profit universities with graduation rates below 50 percent.
From reading that, the MLB teams can determine what amount it giving to college. If you brainstorm, you can see how this can be a grey area in contract talks.
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The Braves will spend “approximately $8.7MM” between Wright and their second-round pick, Drew Waters, according to Bowman, which should mean that Waters will agree to a deal in the general vicinity of his $1.675MM slot value.
REDREAD (06-16-2017)
Waters at that bonus is a relative steal.
That's exactly what I was thinking - Waters would sign for less than/equal to $2M.
Which means that it likely wasn't a money play - hopefully Buckley is right and Stuart Fairchild is straight up a better talent than Drew Waters. Otherwise, some of us will be sad.
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I don't t think the comparison should be Waters vs. Fairchild. It should be Waters vs. Downs. If the Reds were going to take Waters, it would have been in place of the other high school pick, Downs, as it was pretty obvious (by not selecting Waters) that the Reds weren't taking 3 high school kids. Then they would have selected someone from the college ranks instead of Fairchild.
So your choices are:
Downs+Fairchild
or
Waters+???
I'm not sure who wins that, but by all accounts, Downs is a really great get. So we'll see.
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I disagree with this. There was nothing stopping the Reds from taking Waters there at 38 other than A) Money or B) Reds scouts liking Fairchild more.
You could argue that Fairchild is just as risky as a prep OF bat like Waters, so unless Fairchild gets a significant below slot cut, you have to think the Reds just like Fairchild's upside more.
It could be that Waters wanted to go to Atlanta and told teams it would require more to sign him than for what he would take from the Braves.
RED VAN HOT (06-16-2017)
Agreed, which is rolled into my A) Money scenario.
But I don't buy the argument that they didn't draft him because they didn't want to take 3 prep guys in a row. That just doesn't make sense, even if that's how it's been under Buckley's tenure.
Fair enough. We'll really never know. It'll be interesting to watch them develop for sure.
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Mitri (06-16-2017)
Would Faichild signing for less than Waters prove it to you?
That's sort of a crazy number for Wright... I mean, what leverage does he have to command $7mil vs. $6mil?
If it is significantly less, maybe. But it appears to me that the Reds really like Fairchild's game.
I'm sure they like his game.
That said, if choosing between Fairchild and Waters, they're likely looking at a myriad of things beyond just their respective games.
In no particular order:
1. Money
2. Upside v. floor
3. Defensive position and the ability to stick
4. Immeasurables such as baseball IQ, work ethic, willingness to change, intelligence, maturity
5. Distance from the major leagues
There are probably at least 10 more I have no idea about.
That's my point. It's not because they didnt want 3 prep guys in the first two rounds. It's all the other reasons.
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