Star Wars: The Spoiler Thread

[LoganBuck]

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/12/sta...rs-1201910095/







For those who aren’t up on the depressing adult baby redditor lingo - this is called “brigading” it’s when a small group uses bots to drastically effect an online poll or rating. People are so sad and weird.

I know that it shows that I am getting old, but I don't understand how to use reddit.

[RedTeamGo!]

I know that it shows that I am getting old, but I don't understand how to use reddit.

It’s just a big message board

[LoganBuck]

It’s just a big message board

I get that, but I find it confusing and annoying. Like my grandparents learning how to use a remote control

[KoryMac5]

https://youtu.be/EIY-PsHrj9A

Interesting interview with Hamill in regards to the movie and the differences between playing Luke for George Lucas's versions of Star Wars and having to totally change things up for Rian Johnson...

[Caveat Emperor]

I don’t get it...this movie is going to stop you from watching the OT?

Absurd.

I think nostalgia is really clouding how people perceive the OT. Luke literally uses the dark side of the force to defeat Vader.

The OT (originally, and especially after the prequels were made) were all about the choices Luke Skywalker that resulted in him taking a different path than his father. It culminates in those final moments, where he senses himself slipping towards the Dark Side and makes the choice to toss away his weapon and save his father -- even if it means death at the hands of Emperor Palpatine.

It's been written elsewhere, better, but the bottom line is that this film absolutely spits on the legacy of Luke Skywalker -- both in-universe and, more meta, in the view of him among Star Wars fans in general. I can completely buy a Luke Skywalker that experienced failure training a new generation of Jedi. I can completely buy a Luke Skywalker that blames himself for a lot of wrongs in the universe. But, what I can't buy is a Luke Skywalker that has simply given up. The one constant about his character in the OT was that he's a person that *constantly* wants to take action. Luke runs off with Ben Kenobi to Alderaan. Luke's the one who cooks up the "plan" to break Leia out of the Death Star detention area. Luke's the one who immediately joins up with the Rebellion and hops into an X-Wing to try and save people he's just met. Luke's the one leading the squad defending Echo Base as they evacuate. Luke's the one who runs off from Jedi training because he thinks his friends are in danger. Luke's the one who cooks up the plan to rescue Han and (basically) single-handled wrecks Jabba's entire guard to do it. Then, at the end, Luke's the one who goes to confront his father and the Emporer, by himself, to try and save his father and protect the Rebel mission.

It's a new trilogy of movies that needs to move the old charterers to the background -- completely understand that -- but they reduced Luke Skywalker to a bitter failure of a person, wallowing in his own self misery on some island and waiting to die. I don't know how you read that as anything else than a middle finger to the OT and fans of the OT. Here's your hero -- old and broken -- watch as he dies, leaving a legacy of absolutely nothing.

I don't know how you go back and watch the original movies the same way after this.

[Larry Schuler]

Maybe Luke's history of 'never giving up' magnifies how serious his current state is and how far he's been pushed by what happened.

Rain Johnson didn't throw in flashbacks of young Luke giving up and say "The original movies were wrong. Luke actually gave up all the time." He showed a character who was shattered by a new event that this trilogy considers insanely important (Kylo murdering all the young Jedi and burning down the training center). What emotional or dramatic weight is there if Luke is like "Well, I've seen worse. This is a set back but I'm resilient and I'm going to pretty easily move on to eradicating Kylo"?

Seeing a beloved character change or have a sad ending is not inherently a middle finger. In many ways, it's a smart dramatic move to show how time and events matter to that character and it acknowledges the sadness of reality that even beloved heroes aren't immune from sad endings or death.

[KoryMac5]

How have I never seen this...

https://youtu.be/U9t-slLl30E

[marcshoe]

Just saw it and thought it was fantastic. A few very quick points:

*Some of you guys need to get a smaller lawn if you're going to get so upset when kids cross it.

*You would think that by now Admiral Ackbar would recognize a trap when he saw one.

*Okay, I'll give you one on Space Flying Leia.

*To paraphrase what John Ford said about John Wayne after Red River, I never knew Mark Hamill could act.

*Rey can carry the franchise by herself, imho.

More later.

[klw]

How have I never seen this...

https://youtu.be/U9t-slLl30E

I hope you did not miss this. It is the high point of western civilization.

[KittyDuran]

Just saw it and thought it was fantastic. A few very quick points:

*Some of you guys need to get a smaller lawn if you're going to get so upset when kids cross it.

*You would think that by now Admiral Ackbar would recognize a trap when he saw one.

*Okay, I'll give you one on Space Flying Leia.

*To paraphrase what John Ford said about John Wayne after Red River, I never knew Mark Hamill could act.

*Rey can carry the franchise by herself, imho.

More later.

Saw it 2 hours ago and loved it and agree with all your points!


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[kaldaniels]

The OT (originally, and especially after the prequels were made) were all about the choices Luke Skywalker that resulted in him taking a different path than his father. It culminates in those final moments, where he senses himself slipping towards the Dark Side and makes the choice to toss away his weapon and save his father -- even if it means death at the hands of Emperor Palpatine.

It's been written elsewhere, better, but the bottom line is that this film absolutely spits on the legacy of Luke Skywalker -- both in-universe and, more meta, in the view of him among Star Wars fans in general. I can completely buy a Luke Skywalker that experienced failure training a new generation of Jedi. I can completely buy a Luke Skywalker that blames himself for a lot of wrongs in the universe. But, what I can't buy is a Luke Skywalker that has simply given up. The one constant about his character in the OT was that he's a person that *constantly* wants to take action. Luke runs off with Ben Kenobi to Alderaan. Luke's the one who cooks up the "plan" to break Leia out of the Death Star detention area. Luke's the one who immediately joins up with the Rebellion and hops into an X-Wing to try and save people he's just met. Luke's the one leading the squad defending Echo Base as they evacuate. Luke's the one who runs off from Jedi training because he thinks his friends are in danger. Luke's the one who cooks up the plan to rescue Han and (basically) single-handled wrecks Jabba's entire guard to do it. Then, at the end, Luke's the one who goes to confront his father and the Emporer, by himself, to try and save his father and protect the Rebel mission.

It's a new trilogy of movies that needs to move the old charterers to the background -- completely understand that -- but they reduced Luke Skywalker to a bitter failure of a person, wallowing in his own self misery on some island and waiting to die. I don't know how you read that as anything else than a middle finger to the OT and fans of the OT. Here's your hero -- old and broken -- watch as he dies, leaving a legacy of absolutely nothing.

I don't know how you go back and watch the original movies the same way after this.

War is hell and if a franchise doesn’t want to take the easy way out it’s fine by me.

A lot can happen in 40 years.

I just can’t get behind a default position of “Luke can’t be tired and broken.”

Why not?

[BLEEDS]

Maybe Luke's history of 'never giving up' magnifies how serious his current state is and how far he's been pushed by what happened.

Rain Johnson didn't throw in flashbacks of young Luke giving up and say "The original movies were wrong. Luke actually gave up all the time." He showed a character who was shattered by a new event that this trilogy considers insanely important (Kylo murdering all the young Jedi and burning down the training center). What emotional or dramatic weight is there if Luke is like "Well, I've seen worse. This is a set back but I'm resilient and I'm going to pretty easily move on to eradicating Kylo"?

Seeing a beloved character change or have a sad ending is not inherently a middle finger. In many ways, it's a smart dramatic move to show how time and events matter to that character and it acknowledges the sadness of reality that even beloved heroes aren't immune from sad endings or death.

Also, Luke talks about how he let his ego get the best of him, etc, especially in the aftermath; really understandable how he could have gotten a big head, noticed it, then resolved to live his last days in exile. Also to "hide" from the baddies as well as the rebels.

[RedTeamGo!]

I have no problem with the trilogy moving on from Han, Luke and Leia.

But when you retconn Luke Skywalker into being a useless coward, who ran and hid after his first setback AND who considered murdering a family member in his sleep, I’m going to think you have zero respect for the source material you’re drawing from. I completely get now why Mark Hammil hated the script when he read it.

Just for the record, Mark Hamill did not “hate” the script:

I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill

[BuckeyeRed27]

I saw it last night and other than space flying dead Leia I loved it.

I thought the Luke story line was really well done and Mark Hamill was excellent.

[Razor Shines]

The scene after Fin and Rose destroy the casino city they have an exchange along the lines of

Rose: Well that didn't work.
Fin: But it was worth it to destroy all that.

I kind of believe Rian Johnson had this same exchange after showing his final cut of the film.