REDREAD (05-04-2018)
Redeyecat (05-04-2018)
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
"So there is no number and nothing that happens will cause you to entertain the notion that maybe the Reds miscalculated."
This is what you said. It was an assumption. It is false. You do this every time we talk on this forum, and it has made being in any thread with you annoying.
But yes. I'm not derailing this thread anymore. But I'm not about to just let you get away with that. We're done talking about this.
I get the point of 8 innings being a small sample, but the real issue is that it's 5 starts and he's been so bad that he still hasn't accumulated 10 innings now. Forget the ERA or the other stats. He's been drubbed repeatedly. If that doesn't mean rushed, I'm not sure what does. The Reds continue to try to artificially speed up the timeline by over-promoting guys. How many times do we need to see them do the same thing over and over until we can recognize it.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
M2 (05-03-2018),REDREAD (05-04-2018),RiverRat13 (05-04-2018)
REDREAD (05-04-2018)
High school draftees are children. I was willing to give Santillan a year to figure things out too. I remember this forum during his 1st season after he was drafted after he got destroyed in Dayton. People were claiming he was a bust right away, that he was never going to learn any kind of control. They were being reactionary, which seems to be what this forum has turned into during the rebuild. And now? He's one of the top prospects in the system. He had to learn how to pitch.
Hunter Greene has a minuscule amount of pitching experience under his belt. He was shut down early in his senior year and was a two-way player for the rest of high school. He had never fully devoted himself to pitching before being drafted. However, he has insane pure talent and that led to him showing very high quality pitching in his first few starts this year. The pitch count and era sucked from those starts, but it was inflated by him having insanely bad luck. Does "rushing" a kid suddenly mean every bloop and dribler is going to go for a single? He actually pitched pretty well. Over the last few starts, his control has wavered and he's been punished for it. But again, that's pretty normal for an 18 year old kid.
Panicking at this point is just silly. Is he healthy? Seems so. Is he still maintaining his velocity? Sure is. Is he still overmatching some hitters when his control is there? You bet he is. Given all that, I could not possibly care less what is ERA is. As long as he's learning, then I'm happy.
But next year, I want to see him kicking some ass.
@M2 - Just stop. I said we're done talking about this.
Not everyone is. Like two of you are.
Because he seems to have the stuff that warrants him being there. Getting your first taste of Low-A can be rough. Santillan's a perfect example. And much of his "drubbing" was babip-fueled luck, so rushing to judgement seems rash.
And I would consider the claim that he's being rushed and he should never have been sent to Dayton to be a somewhat panic-induced idea. Maybe my definition of panic is different from yours though...
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