Originally Posted by Sea Ray
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
Big pictures can be formed anytime. That's why they're big pictures. I agree with you that there's no final pictures yet. But by that time, we'll all be talking about something else. As fans we try to play front office and evaluate hires of players and coaches. Nothing wrong with that. If we just sit back and always say "it's too early to judge...give the guy a chance" then we'd have nothing to talk about. A good GM projects players and coaches. He doesn't say "let's just give this guy a chance."
We have a lot more information than we had in January. We've seen him run the team and coach it for a quarter of the season. It's worthy discussion. I get that you're still standing by your guy. I saw you do that with Hue for about two yrs. I bailed on him long before that
I have a question Sea Ray. You say that Kitchen's was a high risk pick for head coach. I maintain that any pick is high risk. Name a candidate, heck name anyone you can think of, and I'll tell you why that would also have been a high risk choice.
No question there's risk in any pick. My posts surrounded around the risk of hiring from within. Traditionally those hires don't work out and I documented that
I know I'm not employed as a NFL GM, not sure about you, but I highly doubt it. For whatever reason Dorsey believed Kitchens was the right guy for this job and he is a NFL GM and a highly respected one at that. As a Browns fan I don't think it is unreasonable to be willing to give Kitchens a chance to grow into the job and see if Dorsey is right. Not sure why you don't get that.
I'm not sure why you think I'm saying it's unreasonable for a Browns fan to give Kitchens a chance. Of course you should do that.
As been pointed out, Kitchens is hardly an organizational guy. He hadn't been with the Browns very long. He certainly wasn't a protege of Hue, so I'm not sure why you paint him with such a broad brush.
The only broad brush I painted him with was as a hire from within...and that shoe fits
You came on here basically chastising the Browns fans for still supporting the Kitchens hire after 3 games. Not sure what else you were attempting to do with that post.
I disagree with your assessment. I've been consistent in my comments on Kitchens.
Only on a technicality. Kitchens was with the Browns less than a year before he was promoted to head coach and was brought in by the current GM.
Hopefully he'll be the exception to that trend. Time will tell
Name another 'hire from within' that fits the same profile (less than a year in the organization and brought in by the newly hired GM) and maybe you'll have an angle.
You've posted several times that you think Kitchens will be a big fail. If your stance hasn't changed, then we already know your opinion. What is the point in popping back in just to remind us?
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