Assembly Hall (01-11-2019)
Do you notice how Sea Ray uses the 1976 hire of Bill Johnson to help his cause...but eliminates Parcells and Seifert from the discussion.
Assembly Hall (01-11-2019),GAC (01-12-2019),redsfandan (01-11-2019)
Skip Bayless on the hire:
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/undi.../1423356483904
I was really not using that to help my cause but to show how badly "my team" has done in this arena. It was intimated earlier how I didn't treat my team as harshly as the Browns.
Can't win with some of you around here.
In recent history hires from w/i have not worked out
GAC (01-12-2019)
Do interim coaches fall into the “18 of the last 20 hires from within are failures” pool? For example Gregg Williams or the guy who finished out the year in Green Bay?
Guys.... listen....
If you can't take the heat....
Get out of the Kitchens.
I know the value of it. I also know that not all experience(s) are created equally. And you should know that.
Was Belichick interviewed for the Brown's job? Yeah, I might be a little upset if they hired Freddie over Bill (LOL).I present to you exhibit A: Bill Belichick. Don't tell me he wasn't a better coach after leaving Cleveland than he was as Browns coach.
Just like I stated prior - there are coaches who have NFL experience, but as far as achievement goes there's not much there to brag on, other then they've hung around the NFL. Then you have a coach(s) like a Belichick who is an example of a head coach whose experience carries far more weight, has far more worth, because he took that knowledge he learned and attained success and greatness with it. But you know as well as I do that's not always the case.
Again. Never said it wasn't. It's an issue of what's it's level of importance in comparison to those other considerations? And for some reason you seem to be avoiding giving any type of recognition to Kitchen's 13 years of NFL coaching experience, and what he has accomplished. Just like Belicheck gained knowledge as he worked his way up the ladder, and earned recognition ....why is that different with Kitchens, and the knowledge he gained, and those coaches that he learned under? And don't come back accusing me of comparing Kitchens to Belichick either (LOL). All coaches gain knowledge as they progress. It's when you take it and accomplish something with it. Kitchen hasn't?Experience is important.
No one is making any bold predictions about Kitchens. No one is denying the risk involved. I'm comfortable he posses enough experience he's not going to drown as our head coach, an should be given the shot.
Maybe he will. Maybe he won't. You don't know. Were you impressed with his Miami team this year? Why was he fired from Miami? What did Gase learn in Miami, before he was fired, that will make him a better coach in NY? The Dolphins were among the NFL's worst offensive teams in the league during his tenure. So lets see how he does with his second shot.I'll bet that Adam Gase will be a better coach in NY than he was in Miami. Experience is important.
Yeah, none of those three should have been given a chance when they were initially brought here. Well, not everybody can be perfect and right like you all the time (LOL)."Give the guy a shot". Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah...it was Deshone Kizer, Johnny Manziel, Hue Jackson...
And that really is all this about IMO. You're playing your "game", formulating your preseason take on the Browns, taking note of mine and others, so you can come back during the '19 season and say "I told you so!". No problem. But if it's the other way around I'm rubbing your face in it buddy! LOL
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
dubc47834 (01-12-2019)
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
SeaRay seems to feel he needs to inject himself as the the objective one, that voice of reason from the "outside", because Brown fans in this discussion are so busy blindly following and slobbering over GM Dorsey we really aren't thinking too clearly right now in our heightened state of ecstasy (LOL).
I'm not going to apologize for being ecstatic. If his Bengals had the same dire history, and saw a new GM (solid resume) come in and make such startling and positive changes so fast, turn an 0-16 team into a 7-8-1 team in one season ... he'd be ecstatic and just as trusting in that GM (until he proves otherwise).
And until this GM starts making those bad/questionable decisions, starts showing evidence he doesn't know what he's doing, then let the train keep a rollin'!
It's obviously not enough to acknowledge the risk Dorsey took in this hiring (which we all did). NEWSFLASH! ... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to come out and say the Kitchens hiring was risky. Who can argue with that? You can't. You're not sticking your neck out to any great length, going to some place where there's no return (LOL). You never said Kitchens shouldn't have been hired either. It's actually a pretty "place it safe" position. If Kitchens struggles/fails, they can come back and say "I told you so. You all need to listen to me". And if Kitchens succeeds, and it's pointed out to them they can simply say "I never said he'd fail. All I said was that it was really risky". Bases covered.
I've not made any grand proclamations about Kitchens other then give him the chance, and he has my support. What else can I really do?
Now it would take balls to say that Kitchens selection was the absolute right choice, no doubt whatsoever, and he's going to coach the Browns to new heights in 2019. LOL
Last edited by GAC; 01-12-2019 at 06:59 AM.
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
dubc47834 (01-12-2019)
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
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