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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

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    If it has to be a 1 for 1 I’d trade him for Rogers from Minnesota
    How many relievers were dealt over the past five years for a top 100 prospect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    If it has to be a 1 for 1 I’d trade him for Rogers from Minnesota
    How many relievers were dealt over the past five years for a top 100 prospect?


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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

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    How many relievers were dealt over the past five years for a top 100 prospect?

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    How many relievers were dealt over the past five years for a top 100 prospect?
    Like I said, if I were to trade him it would be as a centerpiece in a package deal. I simply said if it was a 1 for 1 for a reliever I would target Rogers.

    And what list is Ashcroft top 100 on? I haven’t seen that.
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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I’m more of a package guy. I might build a package around him for Trevor Story and Marquez from Colorado or Baez and Chafin from Chicago.

    If it has to be a 1 for 1 I’d trade him for Rogers from Minnesota
    So you'd deal him for a rental. That seems worse to me.
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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Ashcraft is exactly the type of guy that could pitch like prime Roger Clemens without budging his national prospect needle. I’ll let the Reds decide if he’s an important arm or not.

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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Ashcraft is having great success this season. He has given up 17 ER in 14 starts- 10 came in the fist four starts. The other 7 runs came in one awful inning. He sits in the upper 90s and hits 100. He added a curve this past year.
    He is darn near untouchable for me at this point.

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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Ashcraft is having great success this season. He has given up 17 ER in 14 starts- 10 came in the fist four starts. The other 7 runs came in one awful inning. He sits in the upper 90s and hits 100. He added a curve this past year.
    He is darn near untouchable for me at this point.

    https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...s-a-new-pitch/
    Honestly, he gives me some Jacob DeGrom vibes in terms of later round college draft pick, made improvements upon pro-ball, got results, yet stayed pretty under the radar via the baseball media.

    And no, that does not mean I think he is due to become the greatest pitcher of his era. But pitching development is the hardest for baseball media and scouts to measure in this day and age and then those people are usually slow to react to the new information, future stud pitchers get missed all the time.
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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    I’m not moving him Lodolo or Greene for anything.

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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    Honestly, he gives me some Jacob DeGrom vibes in terms of later round college draft pick, made improvements upon pro-ball, got results, yet stayed pretty under the radar via the baseball media.

    And no, that does not mean I think he is due to become the greatest pitcher of his era. But pitching development is the hardest for baseball media and scouts to measure in this day and age and then those people are usually slow to react to the new information, future stud pitchers get missed all the time.
    His rise reminds me of Ty Mahle's rise through the system. 6 years of control for a guy like that is valuable. (6th vs 7 rd picks, Ashcraft gets the older start, Mahle eventually cracked some top 100 lists.) If Ashcraft turns into DeGrom for the Reds, however, I will not complain.


    Mahle's stats:
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=mahle-000tyl

    Ashcraft:
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=ashcra000gra
    Last edited by klw; 07-26-2021 at 01:54 PM.

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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    So you'd deal him for a rental. That seems worse to me.
    Rogers isn’t a FA until 23
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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    His rise reminds me of Ty Mahle's rise through the system. 6 years of control for a guy like that is valuable. (6th vs 7 rd picks, Ashcraft gets the older start, Mahle eventually cracked some top 100 lists.) If Ashcraft turns into DeGrom for the Reds, however, I will not complain.


    Mahle's stats:
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=mahle-000tyl

    Ashcraft:
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=ashcra000gra
    Just based on the profiles alone I think Ashcraft has a lot more upside than Mahle ever did. Ashcraft seems to have a plus breaking pitch to go along with a near 100 mph heater where as Mahle was always more of a control type. Although Mahle has probably reached his 90th percentile outcome.
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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    Just based on the profiles alone I think Ashcraft has a lot more upside than Mahle ever did. Ashcraft seems to have a plus breaking pitch to go along with a near 100 mph heater where as Mahle was always more of a control type. Although Mahle has probably reached his 90th percentile outcome.
    One difference. Mahle is a high ball pitcher. Ashcraft is a ground ball pitcher. His current AA ground ball rate is 70%. That’s unsustainable but at earlier stops he threw GBs too. A solid K rate and a high GB rate is a good recipe for success at GABP. (See Castillo, Luis.) And Ashcraft hasn’t walked many so far.
    Last edited by Kc61; 07-26-2021 at 06:14 PM.

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    Re: Graham Ashcraft, RHP, 2019 Sixth Round Pick #174

    Ashcraft has only allowed 2 HRs in his 126.1 inning minor league career, and they both came back in 2019. That's just about approached the point where it's not a statistical oddity and more a sign of how dominating he is.
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