2019 Women's World Cup soccer

[BuckeyeRed27]

1) Your assertion that since a foul was called that eliminates any possibility of a flop. Wrong. Fouls and flops are not mutually exclusive. In fact, that is why players flop, to draw fouls.

2) Your assertion that since there was contact that it could not be a flop. Wrong. From the interwebs in several places (Paraphrasing): "Flopping" is the practice of exaggerating the incidental contact that occurs during plays in an attempt to get favorable calls from the referees.

You are welcome.

I never asserted 1.

My assertion of 2 is that there was clearly contact and there wasn’t any exaggerated move. This wasn’t a Neymar or James Harden situation. She was knocked off balance by the foul. Watch it again. Watch as soon as her right foot lands. She’s off balance immediately.

[texasdave]

I never asserted 1.

You most certainly did.

She was fouled. So right there the flop argument is over.

[BuckeyeRed27]

You most certainly did.

Right, meaning there was contact. Independent of what the ref did or didn’t call.

Any more words you’d like to put in my mouth without asking for clarification or are we good?

[M2]

Well, she was fouled. After that it's all fairly academic.

[RedTeamGo!]

I guess Hope Solo needs to go see an eye doctor, too...

"Former United States keeper Hope Solo on BBC Radio 5 Live: "I don't know where to begin. There are so many things to question. You don't always get a perfect win, sometimes it's ugly and sometimes it's hard-fought, which I understand as a player. But at the same time when you have that much attacking prowess, to not get a goal in normal play is concerning. It was two penalties and one I didn't even think was a penalty, and if it was, it was soft.

"If you want to beat the USA you have to press the backline. That's where they are truly vulnerable. It's the decision making, it's the quality of passing and I think there are nerves back there. I don't think they are good enough to keep possession."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48737617

Pardon me, I’ll be over here in the corner not giving two craps about what Hope Solo has to say about anything.

[IslandRed]

Raised foot, got her with the studs. If you don't get the ball on a challenge like that, it's a foul.

That's the key part IMO. Even if the contact was soft, when a defender goes in studs-up that high, he or she is not going to get the benefit of the doubt. Any league, any competition, anywhere.

[M2]

Italy beat China. If the Dutch beat the Japanese, it's the U.S. and 7 Euro teams.

[M2]

This is already a fun game. The Dutch attack fast and the Japanese get organized fast.

[North]

Rotten penalty shot call on Japan's #4...the kicked ball by NED hits her in the left ribcage then left bicep and the ref calls a hand pass.

Business as usual in the FIFAdom?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Rotten penalty shot call on Japan's #4...the kicked ball by NED hits her in the left ribcage then left bicep and the ref calls a hand pass.

Business as usual in the FIFAdom?

Yeah I’m not even 100% sure it hit any part of her arm and I’m pretty sure if it’s ruled to have hit another part of your body first than it doesn’t matter even if it does.

[MWM]

I feel for the Japanese team. Outside of the first 30 minutes, they outclassed the Dutch. Terrible way to lose.

[M2]

Rotten penalty shot call on Japan's #4...the kicked ball by NED hits her in the left ribcage then left bicep and the ref calls a hand pass.

Business as usual in the FIFAdom?

Defense requires technique too. Players are taught not have their arms out in the box when a shot's coming off for that very reason. Doesn't matter if it's unlucky and/or unintentional. If your arm is out and it stops a goal-bound ball in the box, you're giving up a PK. The ref made the call immediately. Got to tuck that arm behind you.

[North]

Defense requires technique too. Players are taught not have their arms out in the box when a shot's coming off for that very reason. Doesn't matter if it's unlucky and/or unintentional. If your arm is out and it stops a goal-bound ball in the box, you're giving up a PK. The ref made the call immediately. Got to tuck that arm behind you.

But it hit her chest first. Does that negate any subsequent arm contact?

[M2]

But it hit her chest first. Does that negate any subsequent arm contact?

Refs get to interpret, but if the arm was away from her body then you're at risk of giving up a PK. If her arm was down at her side and the deflection caught her bicep there's probably no call. It's the arm position.

[MWM]

Is a handball in the box an automatic yellow? That’s the only possible explanation for how a yellow was given for that handball.