Are you kidding me why change a hitting coach that was getting results.Originally Posted by Kc61
A big a plus on pitching coach.
Also the minors has gone down hill under his watch. We used to have a ton of pitching potential to basically none. We have a just drafted guy and a guy that just had tjs which was not a surprise. Greene with his injury has set his arrival back years if he going to be a starter at the mlb level. The reds really had no idea how to handle a guy with his talent.
bottom_feeder (06-23-2019)
Turner Ward spent three seasons as the Dodger's hitting coach. They reached the postseason each year, and in '18 the Dodgers led the NL in runs, home runs and slugging percentage. They established a club record with 235 homers, including seven players with at least 20 home runs -- the most in club history and the most ever by an NL club.
Don Long has a resume as a hitting coach with various organizations (currently with the Orioles); but is it as impressive as Turner's?
And anyone will tell you that having TJ surgery at a young age is no big deal. They will recover.Also the minors has gone down hill under his watch. We used to have a ton of pitching potential to basically none. We have a just drafted guy and a guy that just had tjs which was not a surprise. Greene with his injury has set his arrival back years if he going to be a starter at the mlb level. The reds really had no idea how to handle a guy with his talent.
They use to have a ton of pitching potential? "Potential" is a loaded word.
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
He had a phenomenal offseason IMO.
I'm still waiting for any major league franchise to call me to offer me a GM contract. Soon as that happens you'll all be welcome to become bandwagon fans of any team other than the Reds I'm in charge of and watch the most epic meltdown of any era in baseball.
I remember reading an interview with Theo Epstein years ago where he talked about his developmental focus being on drafting and developing hitting, because it's far easier to identify at a young age, and acquire proven pitching.
The Reds can't afford to spend like the Red Sox, but I still think they should try to embrace that model.
(Referring to Jack Hannahan signing with a Korean team)
Since there are no teams on the moon, I guess South Korea's far enough from Cincinnati to satisfy me.
-RichRed
Tony Cloninger (06-23-2019)
Dietrich had a good month, has crashed to earth. Let's see where he is at year's end. He's a bench player that has been over exposed.
If Scooter had not been hurt, would Iglesis the SS even have made the team? Possibly not. Still a good move, but hard to call it a great one.
Roark is a good one year rental. It was opportunistic to pick him up when Washington was willing to discard him for nothing. I am glad we have him, but a one year stopgap is not a great move. Like I said, this is the type of move the Reds should have been making instead of running out the horrible pitchers they had in the rotation.
And "good but not great" means good. Good is not a put down.
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Do I really have to explain about how the Reds tanked the last 4 years?
Did you enjoy that time period, even with Scooter, Suarez, and Castillo?
It will be interesting to see what the fans will think of the front office in 2020, after all the pending FAs that have propped up 2019 leave. Don't get me wrong, I hope we are able to patch the holes and continue to be at least this good.
I am not sure this formula is sustainable and we are on the right path though.
I really really hope I am wrong though and they found some analytical formula that helps them target guys like Roark,SS Iglesis, etc who were good moves.
This off-season, as far as the decisions to be made, will be the most telling on whether this FO knows what it's doing, and is serious about continuing the positive direction, or '19 was just a mirage, and they jerked our chain once again.
I'm hedging on the former, that they finally get it. But we'll see.
I'm enjoying the '19 season though, and Williams does get some credit for that IMO.
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
It is just not true that it is not a big deal. It’s major surgery.
What would you say.....ya do here?
DocRed (06-23-2019)
But one doesn't know that Turner was (is) the reason for this offense's slow start. It's not like he - or any hitting coach - is going to come in and tell everyone to junk what they were doing and this is how we do it from now on. It doesn't work that way.
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
Huh? I’m referring to the TJ surgery
What would you say.....ya do here?
I apologize for misunderstanding you. Yes, it is major surgery, no doubt. I was simply pointing out that in this day and age, where TJ surgery is pretty common place, even escalating within youth sports, that a full recovery can be expected. Approximately 85% of pitchers who have had the surgery return to the mound.
My cousin's husband is an Orthopaedic Specialist (Dayton). Big Reds/Bengals fan. I've picked his brain quite a bit over the years on TJ surgery. The procedure itself is outpatient surgery, takes about 90 minutes. The whole thing about TJ surgery, where the majority of the risk is - and again, we're talking a professional athlete, not an average joe like us - is post-surgery, and in the physical therapy/rehab period. IMO, that's where teams can get into trouble because they try to rush things. We're talking healing and rebuilding strength through a very strict protocol that has to be followed, the process can't be rushed. When you're talking a MLB pitcher, and the amount of stress put on the arm, you're looking at 1 1/2 years in a majority of the instances.
Greene is young vs a pitcher that has been in the league several years. Has had far less wear on his arm (elbow). He'll come back fine from the surgery. Just set back. Now whether he makes it in the Bigs or not is another question.
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
What is the average shelf life of a pitcher post-surgery? How many years before he either needs another surgery or his arm is just used up?
Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman. Damn glad to meet ya.
Yep. All these new acquisitions will be moving on after we miss the playoffs. Our prospects have all slid and I don’t see any exciting the fan base. The two guys who were traded for one year rentals would both be the top performing hitter and pitching prospect in our system. Downs is on pace for 20 something bombs and 30 plus steals while OPSing 800 at 20. Gray is 5-0 with a 2.71 ERA with 78 Ks in 63 innings. 52 Ks in 39 innings after being moved up.
That trade was a disaster. The rest of the moves were fine but this team just wasn’t ready to short the rebuild. Now we are screwed
The idea “we” are screwed because they traded Downs and Gray is absurd.
What would you say.....ya do here?
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