Last edited by redsfanmia; 09-13-2019 at 05:18 PM.
When I see the 2016 Reds, I see a 100 loss team and no direction.
you cant blow this juggernaut up, they are ahead of the pirates in an epic battle, keep this fantastic team, let Bells great great great great as yet unborn gastrula manage the team
Last edited by Kc61; 09-13-2019 at 05:43 PM.
REDREAD (09-16-2019)
I don't get the gloom and doom that next year is all or nothing and blow it up. Senzel, Aquino, Winker, Van Meter, & Ervin are all players I can see taking another leap forward next year. You can get 1 year at SS from either Iglesias or Galvis. Castillo & Gray are locked up long term. Bauer & Disco are both solid MOR options next year. We do need some bullpen help clearly and I'd spend every last dollar on that.
If you keep Senzel in CF, fine. I'd get an offense first C (Grandal) and 2B. Move Senzel back to 2B; go get 1 of the trio of Puig/Castellanos/Dickerson and mix them in with Aquino, Ervin & Winker. I know every game counts in the standings but I really don't put much emphasis on the first 10 games when we were still weeding out Kemp and others. From 2-8 to 68-79; that's obviously not good but is an improvement. I think another similar improvement of 8-10 wins is reasonable next year which puts them in wild card hunt.
Let's say they increase their win total 8 games. Was that worth 4 top 100 prospects (Trammell, Downs, Gray and Moss could be there soon)? It absolutely isn't. I'm happy they increased their win total but it's only worth that if you're increasing it from say 88 to 96 wins. Going from wins in the 60s to the 70s is not worth it. NO team in baseball does it that way. None. There's a reason for that. This isn't like trading Randall Simon. I don't think Reds' fans grasp the high price they've paid for a 4th place team. They need to trade for guys like Trammell, Gray and Moss now! It'll take a lot of work just to get the organization back to where it was a yr ago.
On the positive side, I like what I'm seeing from Joey Votto. I think we may be able to get some production out of him next yr if we rest him a great deal more. For his part he has to knock off the Felix Milan choke up stuff and he has to start better. We can't afford for him to stibk it up till mid June
texasdave (09-13-2019)
It takes a few years to get from 95 losses to contention. The Reds made their first step this year.
An eight game pickup is meaningful. Maybe it will get to ten games, 77 wins, that’s what I hoped for when the season began.
That they traded some prospects doesn’t bother me in the least. The problem with the Reds was the total absence of serious veteran additions for years. You can’t compete with the contending clubs without those additions.
Prospects are there to keep or to trade. If they guess wrong on a few, that’s unfortunate, but it’s not worth all this cyberspace. It’s part of doing business.
I think Reds are in good position to add several more good major league players and improve again next year.
Last edited by Kc61; 09-13-2019 at 09:35 PM.
Revering4Blue (09-13-2019)
They are a small market team and they rely on prospects becoming viable MLB talent to compete.
You’re wrong. As the poster said, the reds should be acquiring players like Trammell, Downs and Gray.
Not trading them for short term rentals on teams that can barely win 70 games
Teams don’t rebuild by finishing in last place for half a decade, then Adding 5 WAR to a 95 loss team and trading a large percentage of your upside prospects
Last edited by MM83; 09-13-2019 at 10:23 PM.
That's the plan that failed so spectacularly in 2015-18. Continuing to try that and expecting different results is baseball orthodoxy, but while we're complaining the Reds might have crossed halfway across the void to respectability. I'll take this over the death march they were on.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Revering4Blue (09-13-2019),Tom Servo (09-13-2019),Wonderful Monds (09-13-2019)
They’re like a middling team this year, especially given their runs scored vs allowed. They were truly awful from 2015-18. They were at least respectable if not outright good at times this season. They have enough pieces were they could be legitimately great next season if they make the right moves.
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