Reds Interested in Ozuna Per Heyman

[Big Klu]

I think I would rather have Yasiel Puig than Marcel Ozuna.

[Burt Gummer]

Why?

This ownership and front office has just lied to the fans too many times for me to believe anything they say

[Old school 1983]

This ownership and front office has just lied to the fans too many times for me to believe anything they say

So after more than living up to their word on the rotation last year, they are just going to lie about getting bats and pocket about 40-45 million in free money just because?

[la-di-da-di]

His bat was elite in 2017 in Miami. I have read speculation (or excuses?) that he has not been fully healthy in St. Louis.

It’s not speculation. He has a chronically injured right shoulder. It required surgery last off-season and it’s not much better.

[foster15]

So after more than living up to their word on the rotation last year, they are just going to lie about getting bats and pocket about 40-45 million in free money just because?

Please, refresh my memory. What did they say about the rotation last year that came to fruition? Also, please name everything they did to improve the rotation immensely other than taking a 50/50 chance on Sonny Gray? And last but not least, let's not over sensationalize what this rotation did considering we rarely got more than 5 innings out of them and in turn it made our relief pitching that much worse. Roark and Wood didn't do crap for this team btw. Now, your turn, go.

[CySeymour]

Please, refresh my memory. What did they say about the rotation last year that came to fruition? Also, please name everything they did to improve the rotation immensely other than taking a 50/50 chance on Sonny Gray? And last but not least, let's not over sensationalize what this rotation did considering we rarely got more than 5 innings out of them and in turn it made our relief pitching that much worse. Roark and Wood didn't do crap for this team btw. Now, your turn, go.

A 50/50 chance on Gray? Yes, Wood didn;t work out, but that is just the way sports goes sometimes. He got hurt and never really recovered. As far as Roark, he was an absolute improvement over the previous season options. While with the Reds he posted an ERA+ of 107. No, he wasn't an ace, but he was definitely a major league caliber starting pitcher.

[foster15]

A 50/50 chance on Gray? Yes, Wood didn;t work out, but that is just the way sports goes sometimes. He got hurt and never really recovered. As far as Roark, he was an absolute improvement over the previous season options. While with the Reds he posted an ERA+ of 107. No, he wasn't an ace, but he was definitely a major league caliber starting pitcher.

Yes, 50/50. Everyone in the world had him penned in one of two directions, returning to the ace 1st round draft pick he was about 4 or 5 years ago or finished. Nobody could predict with any confidence he would perform like he did last season.

So what did the Reds say prior to last season regarding starting pitching? That they would improve? lol, pretty hard not to when you've reached rock bottom. Big flippen deal.

[SErebel11]

I think I would rather have Yasiel Puig than Marcel Ozuna.

For the money difference and what he would provide and also do in preventing upgrading other spots, I would rather even have Duvall back. heh

[PuffyPig]

I would be very cautious with Ozuna. He has a chronically injured right shoulder and just beats the ball into the ground.

4/60 would be my best and final offer.

I hate to think what you'd pay him if you were bullish on him.

[Old school 1983]

Please, refresh my memory. What did they say about the rotation last year that came to fruition? Also, please name everything they did to improve the rotation immensely other than taking a 50/50 chance on Sonny Gray? And last but not least, let's not over sensationalize what this rotation did considering we rarely got more than 5 innings out of them and in turn it made our relief pitching that much worse. Roark and Wood didn't do crap for this team btw. Now, your turn, go.

You’re right. They did nothing. And the things they did do and accomplish were merely luck. Gummer is right. They won’t make any significant offense moves either this offseason. And if they do and workout it’s just 50/50 luck.

It seems like you want to attribute any good fortune (Gray) to luck. And bad fortune/injuries (Wood) to inability. Can’t have it both ways.

The Reds replaced 3/5 of the rotation last offseason. With two guys who had 1/2 upside. Wood and Gray. And a solid serviceable starter in Roark. And got Cy Young upside in the season in Bauer.

15-20 years ago I’d completely agree with your 5 inning comment but it’s a different game now.

I guess you agree with Mr. Gummer that the Reds offense will look exactly as it is now on opening day. That’s the argument you’re agreeing with.

[Ron Madden]

I don't think the Reds are the least bit interested in signing Ozuna.

I've heard GMs claim that there's absolutely no truth to 90% of the rumors you hear this time of year.

[la-di-da-di]

I hate to think what you'd pay him if you were bullish on him.

That is my bullish offer. I don’t see how one could reasonably be more bullish than 4/60.

[JaxRed]

That is my bullish offer. I don’t see how one could reasonably be more bullish than 4/60.

I think he's saying you are paying a lot for a guy you aren't bullish on. I personally don't want him, wouldn't pursue him unless he becomes CRAZY cheap.

[Powel Crosley]

Yes, 50/50. Everyone in the world had him penned in one of two directions, returning to the ace 1st round draft pick he was about 4 or 5 years ago or finished. Nobody could predict with any confidence he would perform like he did last season.

So what did the Reds say prior to last season regarding starting pitching? That they would improve? lol, pretty hard not to when you've reached rock bottom. Big flippen deal.

What moves would you like to see the Reds make this offseason to improve the offense?

[westofyou]

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