Reds Offseason Rumors Thread

[Ron Madden]

5 teams feeling urgency to make a splash

No team has a more complicated offseason. On the plus side, the Reds have enough quality pitching to go to the postseason, which means there’s an urgency to upgrade the offense and snap a streak of five straight losing seasons. Plenty of teams would love to have this pitching staff. On the other hand, only three NL teams scored fewer runs, and thanks to a combination of unproven youngsters (like Nick Senzel) and aging veterans (like Joey Votto), the Reds can’t be exactly sure where their holes are. Upgrading at shortstop and center field or second base would be reasonable starting points.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-teams-w...2019-offseason

[adkindo]

5 teams feeling urgency to make a splash



https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-teams-w...2019-offseason

surprised it did not include Catcher

[Alpha Zero]

Find a way to swing a blockbuster with the M's for Haniger & Narvaez then sign Wheeler & Didi. Find a couple of sollid bullpen arms - offseason. Easy Peasey.

I like this path but would like to add Shogo via FA to man CF as well. That might mean downgrading the FA SP acquisition to someone like Kuechel instead of Wheeler though.

[OhioRiverBarge]

Find a way to swing a blockbuster with the M's for Haniger & Narvaez then sign Wheeler & Didi. Find a couple of sollid bullpen arms - offseason. Easy Peasey.

What is a realistic trade for Haniger and Narvaez? 3 years control for both.

India, Santillan, Siri? More? Less?


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[OhioRiverBarge]

What is a realistic trade for Haniger and Narvaez? 3 years control for both.

India, Santillan, Siri? More? Less?


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Trade Simulator says India, Santillan, Siri, and Hannah for Narvaez and Haniger put it at 54.6 to 53.5 in the Reds favor. But that might not be a bad starting point.

[Bourgeois Zee]

What is a realistic trade for Haniger and Narvaez? 3 years control for both.

India, Santillan, Siri? More? Less?

It'd take more.

I'm guessing Winker, India, and perhaps a relief arm like Garrett or Stephenson.

[Kc61]

It'd take more.

I'm guessing Winker, India, and perhaps a relief arm like Garrett or Stephenson.

This is what Reds fans want the trade to be. It's not what the Mariners would demand for two solid and controllable starting players coming off good years.

I think Mariners would demand Tyler Stephenson. Trading a starting catcher, they'd want a young, pre-arb alternative.

Initial ask might be Tyler Stephenson, Tucker Barnhart (stop gap), India, Winker and Santillan.

They'd take Winker but I don't think he's that valuable or a lead guy in this trade.

I could see Tyler S, India, Winker and Gutierrez as a negotiated package. Maybe other smaller pieces involved.

If not Tyler, Reds need another lead piece to go with India and Winker.

[Alpha Zero]

This is what Reds fans want the trade to be. It's not what the Mariners would demand for two solid and controllable starting players coming off good years.

I think Mariners would demand Tyler Stephenson. Trading a starting catcher, they'd want a young, pre-arb alternative.

Initial ask might be Tyler Stephenson, Tucker Barnhart (stop gap), India, Winker and Santillan.

They'd take Winker but I don't think he's that valuable or a lead guy in this trade.

I could see Tyler S, India, Winker and Gutierrez as a negotiated package. Maybe other smaller pieces involved.

If not Tyler, Reds need another lead piece to go with India and Winker.

I think you’re underselling Winker here. He’s a career .285/.379/.466 hitter at the MLB level with 4 years of control remaining. The defensive deficiencies have been well documented, but those are less of a concern for an AL club. He could certainly be the headliner in a deal like this. That’s not to say that better secondary pieces than what have been proposed wouldn’t be required, but Winker + is a good start.

[UPRedsFan]

I think you’re underselling Winker here. He’s a career .285/.379/.466 hitter at the MLB level with 4 years of control remaining. The defensive deficiencies have been well documented, but those are less of a concern for an AL club. He could certainly be the headliner in a deal like this. That’s not to say that better secondary pieces than what have been proposed wouldn’t be required, but Winker + is a good start.

Totally agree. And I’m not sure why Winker keeps being suggested in trades. Swap him for Haniger and how much have you really improved the offense? Not that much if any. And considering the extra yr of control he’s got over Haniger I’m not sure I’d do it. The objective is to add offense. Let’s not add offense by trading away our 2nd most productive bat.

[marcshoe]

This is what Reds fans want the trade to be. It's not what the Mariners would demand for two solid and controllable starting players coming off good years.

I think Mariners would demand Tyler Stephenson. Trading a starting catcher, they'd want a young, pre-arb alternative.

Initial ask might be Tyler Stephenson, Tucker Barnhart (stop gap), India, Winker and Santillan.

They'd take Winker but I don't think he's that valuable or a lead guy in this trade.

I could see Tyler S, India, Winker and Gutierrez as a negotiated package. Maybe other smaller pieces involved.

If not Tyler, Reds need another lead piece to go with India and Winker.

fwiw, Haniger's coming off a year in which he missed more than half the season because of a busted testicle followed by a back injury.

[Kc61]

I think you’re underselling Winker here. He’s a career .285/.379/.466 hitter at the MLB level with 4 years of control remaining. The defensive deficiencies have been well documented, but those are less of a concern for an AL club. He could certainly be the headliner in a deal like this. That’s not to say that better secondary pieces than what have been proposed wouldn’t be required, but Winker + is a good start.

Winker is arbitration eligible beginning in 2021. He is controllable, but so are Haniger and Narvaez - the guys Mariners are (supposedly) shedding. His contract status is not a big plus for them.

Winker is often injured and a platoon hitter. He can DH, but isn't a big bopper type.

The Mariners know all this. It's not just Reds fans who see the limitations. Winker has value but he's not a lead piece in a major trade.

[TheBigLebowski]

fwiw, Haniger's coming off a year in which he missed more than half the season because of a busted testicle followed by a back injury.

One normally leads to the other. I know from experience, dude.

[Kc61]

fwiw, Haniger's coming off a year in which he missed more than half the season because of a busted testicle followed by a back injury.

Haniger had 683 PAs playing 157 games in 2018. Winker's major league high is 384 PAs in 113 games last season.

I'm fine with keeping Winker and Ervin in LF. I'm not big on trading him. And I'd rather the Reds sign a FA if they want to change outfielders.

But if Winker is trade bait, although he has value, it's limited by a number of factors, defense, durability, platoon, and as a DH perhaps lack of big power.

[Tuff Nut]

If Winker is to be traded, I'd hope he is used to bring in a fish, bigger than Haniger.

[marcshoe]

If Winker is to be traded, I'd hope he is used to bring in a fish, bigger than Haniger.

I'm assuming from your username that you consider Haniger a weakling.