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    I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    I know Senzel is beloved, but there's WAY too much talk of trading Aquino on this board. Here's why not to trade Aquino:

    1) He busted some serious all time records last year.
    2) Though he dipped in September, he has shown the resilience to break out of slumps by adjusting.
    3) He rates highly defensively with a world-class arm.
    4) He has shown durability.

    And why I'd trade Senzel before him:
    1) Senzel has not touched his potential nearly the way Aquino has.
    2) Senzel has not shown the capacity to adjust productively at the ML level.
    3) He rates as mediocre defensively.
    4) He's not been durable, and has had a worrisome brain disorder.

    Sometimes players break out, and sometimes you spend years waiting on Austin Kearns. I hope the Reds don't over-invest in the idea that Senzel will be a star.
    "Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    well that’s dumb

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    I don't think it's unreasonable to consider trading Senzel in the right deal. Trading him for someone like Christian Pache and one of the Braves top flight pitching prospects could make some sense, especially if they think Senzel could still play 3b.
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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    Aquino 9 seasons in ML

    .248/.308/.455/.763 - 3194 PA's

    MLB

    .257/.314/.573/.887 226 PA's

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    Senzel

    3 seasons NCAA

    .332/.426/.508/.935 704 PA's

    4 seasons ML

    .312/.388/.508/.895 1028 PA's

    MLB

    .256/.315/.427/.742 405 PA's

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    This is one of those hot takes where it could turn out to be right if Senzel never puts it together but the logic behind it is still very shoddy.

    Via Fangraphs, Aquino did not rate out well in RF for the Reds (Senzel was almost completely neutral) and has never been considered a plus defender. He has a cannon arm though.
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    This is one of those hot takes where it could turn out to be right if Senzel never puts it together but the logic behind it is still very shoddy.

    Via Fangraphs, Aquino did not rate out well in RF for the Reds (Senzel was almost completely neutral) and has never been considered a plus defender. He has a cannon arm though.
    Even if by some chance it ends up being right I will take the Senzel player first 10 out of 10 times and be happy with my decision.

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    I'm not trading either one of them for a 1 or 2 year rental.

    Senzel had a .742 OPS in his rookie season while learning to play centerfield for the first time in his life. Health is a concern. But the Reds have got something of very high value here.

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    Other than some health concerns, there is nothing about Senzel that isn't quite exciting.

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    This is one of those hot takes where it could turn out to be right if Senzel never puts it together but the logic behind it is still very shoddy.

    Via Fangraphs, Aquino did not rate out well in RF for the Reds (Senzel was almost completely neutral) and has never been considered a plus defender. He has a cannon arm though.
    And he is comparing someone who played CF to someone who played RF, though there wouldn't be enough major league data their to support any conclusion anyways.

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    well that’s exceptionally dumb
    Corrected for accuracy.

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    It amazes me just how quick some fans are to give up on talented young players.

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    I wouldn't trade either one of them right now. Unless you get an ace pitcher or someone in the Mike Trout category that you could have control for a few years. I think these two will be just fine.
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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    I wouldn't trade either one of them right now. Unless you get an ace pitcher or someone in the Mike Trout category that you could have control for a few years. I think these two will be just fine.
    I would 100% trade Aquino for anything close to an ace pitcher regardless of how long he's controlled. There isn't much to suggest his hot start will be sustainable.

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    Vertigo is a "brain disorder"?

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    Re: I would trade Senzel before Aquino

    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    Vertigo is a "brain disorder"?

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