True story: Larry Walker, Scott Rolen and Bobby Abreu were staples on my Strat teams of the late '90s and early '00s. Those guys were money.
Bobby Abreu
Josh Beckett
Heath Bell
Barry Bonds
Eric Chavez
Roger Clemens
Adam Dunn
Chone Figgins
Rafael Furcal
Jason Giambi
Todd Helton
Raul Ibanez
Derek Jeter
Andruw Jones
Jeff Kent
Paul Konerko
Cliff Lee
Carlos Pena
Brad Penny
Andy Pettitte
J.J. Putz
Manny Ramirez
Brian Roberts
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Alfonso Soriano
Sammy Sosa
Jose Valverde
Omar Vizquel
Billy Wagner
Larry Walker
True story: Larry Walker, Scott Rolen and Bobby Abreu were staples on my Strat teams of the late '90s and early '00s. Those guys were money.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Edd Roush (12-13-2019),Revering4Blue (12-13-2019)
I voted for both. But to my knowledge, Bonds has not been accused of having sex with a 15 years old while a grown man.
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...-mlb-hot-stove
Here's mine. This is the first year in a while I picked fewer than 10, and I could be persuaded on a few guys I didn't pick. For what it's worth, Jeter is the only guy who is getting more than 75% right now, and I'd put him toward the bottom of my list.
(alpha order): Abreu, Bonds, Clemens, Helton, Jeter, Manny, Schilling, Sheffield, Walker,
Stick to your guns.
I've thought about starting a separate thread regarding the use of the "character" clause to keep otherwise Hall of Fame worthy players out of the HOF. I haven't yet done so, in part because of time but also because I expected the thread might quickly violate the ban on political and religious discussions on the main board.
My own position on this issue is that unless a player's character alleged character flaws adversely affected his on field performance and his ability to help his team win, it is irrelevant to his qualifications for the HOF.
Take Pete Rose. Rose served time for filing false tax returns and there have been a number of allegations against Rose for off field "inappropriate" relationships, but it was his betting on MLB games that lead to his ban from baseball and the HOF. Rose's other sins are arguably worse in the grand scheme of things, but it was the baseball sin that justifiably keeps him out of the HOF.
I am not comfortable with evaluating the worthiness of HOF induction based upon the alleged off field shortcomings of a player unrelated to the game. Do we retroactively kick the Babe out of the HOF? What about Kirby Puckett, who after his death was revealed not to be as lovable as his image? What about Cap Anson, who reportedly lead the effort to keep non-whites from playing MLB?
Around the time Mariano Rivera was inducted, The Daily Beast ran a hit piece on Rivera's alleged political and religious views, wanting those alleged sins to be on Rivera's plaque. Curt Schilling has thus far been kept out of the HOF largely because of a number of comments he has made, not because of his pitching qualifications, which are HOF worthy.
I am not defending anyone here. It is sometimes hard enough to evaluate whether or not a player's on field production made him worthy of HOF induction and to be consistent in how players are compared to each other. Trying to pick through character issues unrelated to the game will make fairly performing that task impossible.
"Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."
*BaseClogger* (12-16-2019),cincinnati chili (12-17-2019)
I don't like bringing character into it. We don't really have any idea about these guys character. The guy who seems like the nicest dude around might be a wife beater or child molester for all we know. Others might be stained by unproven allegations. We only know the public personality.
I'd stick to on-field performance. If Joey Votto doesn't get in because he likes fancy coffee it will be a crime.
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M2 (12-16-2019),RedsBaron (12-19-2019),Revering4Blue (01-19-2020)
We've had 111 RZone members open this thread, but only 67 have voted....please add your voice - VOTE!
Edd Roush (12-17-2019)
Looking at the results of the RedsZone poll, I hope and expect the real vote will result in more inductees than just Derek Jeter.
"Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."
Coopdaddy67 (12-20-2019),Edd Roush (12-20-2019)
Out of curiosity, I must have missed when Mark McGwire fell off the ballot
My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!
I just noticed that I thought I clicked on Larry Walker and didn't. So he should have one more vote.
Stick to your guns.
I have a gut feeling that Larry Walker is going to make it in
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My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!
This poll will lock in 5 days time.
We've had 138 RZone members open the thread, but only 81 have voted (last year we had 92 votes).
This poll will close in approximately 24 hours - vote now or forever hold your peace.
It was me and by just skimming to fast down the list.He belongs for sure.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser."
12 hours and counting for the poll
Like last year I'll post a prediction of what I think will happen prior to the official announcement.
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