Ceiling is a players maximum potential.
Siani isn't an unreasonable choice here. He's my choice for #8.
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Trammell also has a noodle arm. A league average bat really plays with good CF defense. A league average bat is meh when you occupy a corner outfield spot.
I would hope the Reds are also making prospect decisions based on a lot more than just minor league performance. It is a relevant factor to projection, especially depending on age/level.
"Today was the byproduct of us thinking we can come back from anything." - Joey Votto after blowing a 10-1 lead and holding on for the 12-11 win on 8/25/2010.
Technically, every young player's maximum potential is they learn to hit real well. However, the ones that get there in most cases are the ones who already hit real well. Setting a ceiling has got to be based on who the player is, not on the vague notion that maybe he could and wouldn't that be great. There's a point at which you're just pretending.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
A league average bat in the majors was not a league average bat in the minors. A league average bat in the minors is a guy who fades away into obscurity. Trammell was miles ahead of Siani at the same age and level, both in terms of performance and projection. Maybe Siani gets his act together. Again, I hope he does. Yet I'm seeing a lot of flimsy generalities being applied to his current situation (that collapse with a light poke) instead of actual insight into why he specifically should be better moving forward. I'm all for a good scouting-based assessment of him. No one here has done anything like that.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
mth123 (12-10-2019)
What point are you trying to make here? Flimsy generalities? He plays good defense, has good speed, and held his own at the plate (league average bat) as a 19 year old (challenging assignment) in the FSL. He is 6'1 188 and reputable sources think he has room to improve with the bat. Nobody is saying he will definitely get better, people are simply saying that his tool-set, body, and age provide him a chance to improve.
Your assessment seems to be strictly stat based, while ignoring a challenging assignment, so please get off your high horse about "nobody does good scouting-based assessments" around here. People give great assessments at RZ.
As far as a "scouting based" assessment. This is his swing from 2018, hopefully it was better in 2019 but I can't find video. He doesn't fully load up his body which leaves untapped power/lift from his lower half. Think about snapping a rubber band when you pull it all the way back vs half way back, he is basically pulling it half way back. He also has a solid looking build. I am sure the Reds are working with him to adjust his pre-swing/load mechanics to use a lot more of his strength/power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L-Mdq9jf_E
A few 18-19 year old league average bats in the Midwest league over the past few seasons:
Francisco Lindor
Ketel Marte
Matt Olson
Renato Nunez
Franmil Reyes
Carson Kelly
Francisco Mejia
Alex Verdugo
Dylan Carlson
Gavin Lux
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"Today was the byproduct of us thinking we can come back from anything." - Joey Votto after blowing a 10-1 lead and holding on for the 12-11 win on 8/25/2010.
*BaseClogger* (12-11-2019),OGB (12-10-2019)
Hitting is a part of any players potential just like fielding and base running. I get that it's undeniably the most important part but that doesn't allow us to devalue the other aspects of a players game. I'm not calling Siani a future All Star but based on what I'm hearing about him I don't think calling his ceiling very high is an overstep. Now when I say "very high" I'm speaking relative to prospects i.e. a top 20/25 overall guy. Again I'm not saying I expect that to happen, as that is where I see his ceiling, not where I'm saying he'll end up.
Griffey012 (12-10-2019)
I agree he has the chance to improve. Many do. Though I feel Siani gets a little too much "looks good in jeans" credit. I get a bit of a B.J. Szymanski vibe from him. So I'm leery how much is projection and how much is hope. He's highly flawed at the moment (seems to be a hole in that swing too). He's also headed into what profiles as an extremely rough season for him. So my instinct is to pump the brakes until he starts to justify the hype.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
I am fairly bearish on Siani. Power is the last tool to develop, and yet...it needs some bones to stick to. Siani has given us nothing to even dream on the bones.
M2 (12-10-2019)
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