Didi had conversations with the Reds and other teams. When it came time to make a decision, the offer from the Phillies was the best offer. Didi definitely had interest in the Reds, but the Phillies made an offer that no other team was willing to match or top. The Girardi connection...to borrow a comment from someone earlier in this thread, what did you expect him to say? All of this comes from a direct source within the Gregorius camp.
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Another source claims that the Giants, Brewers and Reds were the runners-up...basically you can't conclude anything from these random reports unless someone actually goes on the record and reports each team's offer...which aint going to happen.
Tom Servo (12-11-2019)
Some people (not saying you, I can't remember who said what) feel the need to say that the Reds were possibly turned down by Didi, even though they might have offered Didi more money than Philly. And we see that line of reasoning often here on RZ.. That's the issue I have.. That's highly unlikely. But that statement is met with "Unless you know the exact amount of $$ the Reds offered and personally interview Didi, you can not say that ". That's being a Reds front office apologist.. because how dare someone make a conclusion.. how dare someone question the Reds desire to win at all costs?
I have said a few times, it's ok if the Reds dropped out of the bidding if they think they have a better plan.
I'll drop out of this, unless someone asks me a direct question about it.. Don't want to derail anymore.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
That other source is Trent, and it seems like he might have gotten his information from the Reds rather than the Gregorius camp. I'm not sure the Reds get to declare themselves a finalist. It's kind of like insisting that even though they didn't get nominated, they definitely were in the Oscar running. IMO, redsof72's information makes the most sense. The Phillies put the best offer on the table and they got him.
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REDREAD (12-11-2019)
I'll be the first to say that I don't follow rumors too much. I don't know what's reported so my questions in this thread are not rhetorical. I'll also say that personally I'd support a one year overpay on a guy like Didi more so than the 4 yr Moust deal...but I'm not ready to fry Dick Williams and Co until I know more. It's possible that Didi's folks told the Reds early on that he preferred other options etc, etc. Finally, I'm not Reds apologist. I rarely praise Dick Williams and that crew of nepotism.
REDREAD (12-11-2019)
C. Trent:
That makes it sound like it wasn't money that decided it for DidiFrom what I’ve been told, #Reds were in it with Gregorius to the end, but the comfort level with Joe Girardi helped make the decision
Redszone when a signing or trade is proposed on the board: “That could never happen! The other team/player would never do that!”
Redszone when said player signs or is traded to another team for a lesser package: “How do you know the Reds didn’t offer more? You can’t know that and you’re crazy to assume! I bet the Reds probably offered more!”
Sadly this place, like the Reds organization, has deteriorated quite a bit over the last several years. The arguments/hindsight justifications are getting crazier and crazier. Earlier in this thread one poster claimed “there is nothing to suggest the Reds didn’t make a better offer than what he signed for.”
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“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
Exactly! Even prior to this year, often the Reds (or someone) would create a rumor the Reds were going after a player, Reds would not sign the guy, but there almost always seemed to be a positive spin after the Reds didn't get him.
Example: Reds went very hard after Otahni last year, made him a fantastic offer, were "Finalists" ,etc . etc.
Reality: Reds had about a 1% chance of signing Othani.
And the propaganda might not even be coming from the Reds' office. The beat writers might be making up a lot of this stuff.
Let's just say hypothetically that C Trent made up that "Source" on his own.. no one in the Reds Front office is going to call him out on it. Reds benefit and C Trent benefits because he has something interesting to say that day.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
The beat writers and insiders do not have a fiduciary duty (for lack of a better term) to us their readers. Their duty is to themselves. They want sources and they want to be “first”. That means that they will be trumpeters of propaganda at times. Nature of the beast, folks.
REDREAD (12-11-2019)
To be fair, Beni, that post was in response to a flurry of posts suggesting it was a joke that the Reds didn't match or beat the offer the Phillies made.
It is completely believable to me that the Reds could, in theory, offer slightly more money, and not get the player... or at the very least make a competitive bid for him to go elsewhere for non-monetary reasons.
I do agree that the word "nothing" in the original post would be strong... as I would suggest the fact we didn't get Didi is worth some clue that it is more probable than not that the Reds were not the high bidder.
But there are kneejerk reactions from the other side too, of which you can and have been guilty of in the past. A little bit of room on both sides to move from where I'm sitting.
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