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  • 2B Jose Acosta

    2 4.26%
  • RHSP Jose De Leon

    9 19.15%
  • OF T.J. Friedl

    7 14.89%
  • CF Jameson Hannah

    2 4.26%
  • RHRP Ryan Hendrix

    0 0%
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    17 36.17%
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    9 19.15%
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Thread: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    Please point out anywhere I have said that. All I have stated, perhaps you aren't reading my posts, is we don't have any clue how to evaluate the meaning behind his season. Although when anyone carries a .491 BABIP we know at least a portion of that is luck. Heck, I even just said
    You mention his BABiP every time you mention his season as a way to dismiss the numbers he accrued.

    You believe his season to be luck-driven.

    If you didn't, you'd rank him higher.

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    And been moved up from the DSL to the AZL much sooner, maybe even on to low A or at least Greenville around the rest of the 19 year old draftees.
    And again, for the 20th or so time...

    Acosta isn't a great prospect based on his numbers.

    He is an interesting prospect in a system filled with meh.

    It is frustrating that you both continue to dismiss this, as it is central to the argument.

    No one is saying he's a sure-fire stud.

    What we are (both) saying is that he's interesting.

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    And again, for the 20th or so time...

    Acosta isn't a great prospect based on his numbers.

    He is an interesting prospect in a system filled with meh.

    It is frustrating that you both continue to dismiss this, as it is central to the argument.

    No one is saying he's a sure-fire stud.

    What we are (both) saying is that he's interesting.
    He is interesting because no one knows anything about him. He is a total shot in the dark. He put up great numbers against inferior competition. As was stated the defense is horrible most likely aiding his numbers, he is older than the league average by 1.5, which he had to repeat because he was so awful, and there is a great talent gap within the dsl. I'll give you interesting but not this early.

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    You mention his BABiP every time you mention his season as a way to dismiss the numbers he accrued.

    You believe his season to be luck-driven.

    If you didn't, you'd rank him higher.
    If you are denying that there isn't some amount of luck involved in a .491 BABIP then you aren't attempting to have a rational discussion. And really the only reason I keep bringing it up is because you keep saying "but .400!". As a stated in my post full of questions
    He had a .491 BABIP, is that generally a product of speed or hitting rockets?
    that is a fair question to ask if you want to attempt to evaluate Acosta's numbers. BABIPs can be elevated for a few reason namely: hard contact, speedy hitter, luck, or some combination of all of the above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    And again, for the 20th or so time...

    Acosta isn't a great prospect based on his numbers.

    He is an interesting prospect in a system filled with meh.

    It is frustrating that you both continue to dismiss this, as it is central to the argument.

    No one is saying he's a sure-fire stud.

    What we are (both) saying is that he's interesting.
    Here are a few things I have said about Acosta:

    He's certainly a guy I'll be keeping an eye on this year, similarly to the Debby Santana hype a few years ago.
    Look, I can easily be convinced on Acosta if there is more information about the player other than his DSL statline.
    Look I am fine if people want to select him, that's not my complaint at all, we are getting to the thin part where anyone can argue for about 15 players. But let's be honest about what we know about Acosta so far, which is very little.
    so I can't judge Acosta more than an intriguing flyer to watch.
    Hopefully I am wrong, but I would ease up on the love, keep him toward the back end of the top 20 when you get to the wild card range, but be really interested in following him in 2020.
    I am in total agreement he is interesting. I've stated as much a few times. He is super interesting because he put up a crazy stat line and is a total unknown. But when things get thrown around like "19, live bat, good eye, speed, boatload of ability, spectacular upside" that to me screams great prospect, not someone who is merely "interesting".
    "Today was the byproduct of us thinking we can come back from anything." - Joey Votto after blowing a 10-1 lead and holding on for the 12-11 win on 8/25/2010.

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    But when things get thrown around like "19, live bat, good eye, speed, boatload of ability, spectacular upside" that to me screams great prospect, not someone who is merely "interesting".
    Again, this discussion began with the 11th ranked Red prospect. It makes no logical sense to assume "great prospect" at that juncture.

    And when both M2 and I stated as much, you dismissed it in favor of more arguing.

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    Again, this discussion began with the 11th ranked Red prospect. It makes no logical sense to assume "great prospect" at that juncture.

    And when both M2 and I stated as much, you dismissed it in favor of more arguing.
    Because neither of you can seem to make that statement without trying to make Acosta into more than he is by including claims based on his DSL Statline that just aren't true or are still unknowns.

    So at least we are in agreement Acosta is not in fact a 19 year old, live bat, good eye, speed, boatload of ability, and spectacular upside prospect. I think I have settled all I need to settle now.
    "Today was the byproduct of us thinking we can come back from anything." - Joey Votto after blowing a 10-1 lead and holding on for the 12-11 win on 8/25/2010.

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    Because neither of you can seem to make that statement without trying to make Acosta into more than he is by including claims based on his DSL Statline that just aren't true or are still unknowns.

    So at least we are in agreement Acosta is not in fact a 19 year old, live bat, good eye, speed, boatload of ability, and spectacular upside prospect. I think I have settled all I need to settle now.
    He is in fact a live bat 19 year old with a good eye and speed. He does have the ability to hit 400/ 500/ 600 regardless of how lucky you might perceive it to be, and, with that line, he does in fact have a rather large upside.

    All of that makes him, IMO, the 13th best Red prospect at this time because he is so far away from the majors.

    I've said that before. Multiple times.

    Perhaps this time, you'll believe me?

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #11 Prospect???

    End of discussion, please. It's clear no one's mind is getting changed.


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