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    I also think they have to give him an offense where he runs the ball a little. That's been part of his game in college and it's now part of the NFL game too. We saw this on display on both sides of the field in the Buff/Texans game. We're seeing it with almost every successful offense except for New Orleans. He need not run like Lamar Jackson but I'd like to see him run 5-10 times a game. The NFL has changed their rules and it's now more kind to running QBs and it gives defenses fits


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    Re: 2020 Cincinnati Bengals

    Quote Originally Posted by oregonred View Post
    The 61-7 Houston Oiler shallacking over Jetty Glanville was one for the ages

    RIP Sam
    The on-side kick when they were already beating the crap out of them. Sam had a vindictive streak. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    The on-side kick when they were already beating the crap out of them. Sam had a vindictive streak. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by oregonred View Post
    Sam Wyche was ahead of his time with the no huddle and break of tendencies offensive mindset

    Pete Rozelle tried to sabotage the no huddle the day before the Super Bowl to protect the beloved 49ers

    The 61-7 Houston Oiler shallacking over Jetty Glanville was one for the ages

    RIP Sam
    I actually went back and watched the game. Skimmed through to the time we got up 41-0 or whatever. I wasn't even 6-years-old yet so I don't remember the game. If you have time, watch it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys_w4ZPedIc&t=11666s

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    The on-side kick when they were already beating the crap out of them. Sam had a vindictive streak. LOL
    Sam wasn't the only one who hated Glanville. Chuck Knoll did with a passion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    I actually went back and watched the game. Skimmed through to the time we got up 41-0 or whatever. I wasn't even 6-years-old yet so I don't remember the game. If you have time, watch it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys_w4ZPedIc&t=11666s
    Thanks for posting this. I enjoy watching these old games.
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    Re: 2020 Cincinnati Bengals

    Heckuva read from Bruce Feldman at the Athletic - he asked opposing d-coordinators from the SEC to scout LSU - I am gonna paste the stuff on the offense and Burrow:

    https://theathletic.com/1510408/2020...hip-finalists/

    You don’t need to be Bill Belichick to see that LSU has gone from having a pedestrian offense to the most explosive attack in college football.

    But as the Tigers, already winners of six Top 10 matchups this season, prepare for their toughest test yet against defending national champion Clemson, The Athletic spoke with 10 rival coaches who have faced Ed Orgeron’s team to break down just what makes them so good — and perhaps where they are vulnerable.

    One defensive coordinator who has faced the Tigers assessed what makes them special this way: “The QB is elite. They have elite skill. They are on a magic ride. Rarest of seasons. Joe (Burrow) makes is all go. Reminds me of 2012 Manziel at A&M. Appreciate what you’re watching. Wish I didn’t have to experience it. And to be clear … Burrow is 1,000 percent better than Manziel. But the momentum he creates is like a tidal wave.”

    Burrow’s numbers this season are jaw-dropping. He’s completing 78 percent of his passes and has thrown for 5,208 yards to go with a mind-boggling 55-to-6 TD-to-INT ratio. Burrow’s wheels also have caused all sorts of headaches for defenses, too. He has run for almost 500 yards if you don’t factor in negative sack yardage.

    “He’s as playing as high a level as I’ve ever defended,” says an SEC defensive coordinator who faced LSU in November. “He knows what he’s doing; knows where he wants to go with the ball and does everything really confidently. His ability to make plays with his feet when you do cover him, or when things break down, is the added element that is really challenging when you’re trying to set up a plan to stop him.”

    Asked to explain what makes Burrow so special, one SEC head coach rattled off a bunch of things in one sentence that probably also sum up why so many NFL scouts think he’ll be the first pick of the 2020 draft: “His confidence, how accurate he is, and how quickly he makes decisions; his off-platform throws outside of the pocket; the way he extends plays with his feet and improvises and keep his eyes downfield and how quickly he gets it out of his hands, that is unique.”


    Burrow ran away with the Heisman Trophy by the biggest margin ever in large part because of how efficiently he pilots this offense and is able to utilize an array of dangerous skill players and every inch of the field. LSU is the first team in SEC history with a 4,000-yard passer, a 1,000-yard rusher and two 1,000-yard receivers in the same season.

    Burrow is just one of several offensive players who you could argue was the breakout star in the SEC. Sophomore receiver Ja’Marr Chase went from 23 catches for 313 yards last season to 75 for 1559 yards and 18 touchdowns and the Biletnikoff Award. Clyde Edwards-Helaire went from being a relative unknown commodity to rushing for 1,304 yards to go with 50 catches and becoming the top all-around running back in college football. Thaddeus Moss went from being a non-factor to becoming one of the most productive tight ends in FBS. Justin Jefferson, the former two-star recruit, is tied with Chase for the most touchdown receptions in the country. Sophomore Terrace Marshall has 12 TD grabs despite missing three games to injury. It truly has been a case of pick-your-poison for opposing defenses.

    “When you listen to their kids talk, they are playing with supreme confidence,” an SEC head coach said. “That’s more than half the battle.

    “You’re not gonna stop them. Your best hope is just to slow them down and hope they make a mistake. You gotta hope for a few three-and-outs. This is gonna sound strange, but it’s almost like old Arena ball, where you’re hoping for just field goals, not TDs.”

    Beyond Burrow, the offensive player that coaches cited as the biggest challenge is Edwards-Helaire, the 5-7, 209-pound junior.

    “No. 22 is special with the way they use him,” one coach said. “He runs the inside zone; they’ll line up him in field or boundary No. 1. He can free release out of the backfield. His is versatility is a big key.”

    “No. 22 (Edwards-Helaire), that damn running back does a hell of a job,” says an SEC defensive backs coach. “If you don’t stop him, you don’t have a shot. I’d put him against any other SEC back. He makes two or three guys miss from Alabama and got the first down. Tough, hard runner. He almost always is making the first guy miss. He’ll run over you, too. He’s a real key to that deal. To us, he’s the real headache. They hit him out the backfield. He runs corner routes for touchdowns.”

    Another defensive coordinator The Athletic spoke to says the biggest issue for his team was what Edwards-Helaire does as a receiver. “They’re a throw-first team, and you have to defend them that way, but you can’t lose sight of him. When you do try and play two-safety looks and play over the top of the receivers, he’s able to win one-on-one with a linebacker. It’ll be interesting to see what (Clemson defensive coordinator Brent Venables) does with (freakishly athletic LB Isaiah) Simmons and if they match up their best corner (A.J. Terrell) with Chase.

    “Chase seems to make every competitive catch,” said one defensive coordinator who played LSU late in the season. “You see it on film all year, and that’s what he did in our game. Their scheme allows for a lot of free releases, and I really like their receiver corps. It’s a deep group.”

    For much of the season, opponents have strayed from what they typically do philosophically, playing LSU with their third-and-long or third-and-medium plan even though it’s first-and-10.

    It’s the Tigers depth of playmakers that compounds the problems, says another defensive coordinator who got LSU later in the year. “The Jefferson kid is talented. I don’t think he’s elite, but when he becomes the third ‘thing’ that you’re talking about. He becomes a really good third thing. That’s where Oklahoma got some really bad matchups. He’s an NFL wide receiver — he’s not an ‘Oh my God!’ guy, but when you spend your game-plan worrying about other people, that’s when he becomes so effective. And that’s what Moss and Marshall are too. They’re talented players, don’t get me wrong. They’re not elite difference-makers, but they’re such an afterthought in the game plan because of how much time the other pieces take, they can get going, too. That, to me, is LSU in a nutshell.”

    An SEC defensive backs coach whose team faced the Tigers when he suspects the 6-3, 200-pound Marshall wasn’t all the way back to 100 percent from his high-ankle injury says another aspect that makes LSU’s offense so lethal is that Chase and Jefferson are interchangeable in what they can do. “They mix both them both in the slot, and they’re great at getting mismatches inside on linebackers. Both of them do a hell of a job blocking. They both also have really strong hands.

    “The biggest thing that they do well is the run after the catch. Those two and (Alabama’s Jerry) Jeudy were the best receivers I saw. They’re not quite as fast as Jeudy, but they are a little stronger.”

    Up front, LSU won the Joe Moore Award as the nation’s top offensive line. The group has come a long way, reducing its sacks allowed percentage on pass attempts by around 33 percent and improving the running game from four yards per carry to almost five a carry. “It’s a good line, not a great line,” said one of the defensive coordinators. “I think they’ve got a bunch of late-round picks there. They’re better in the middle than they are at the tackles. (Offensive guard Damien Lewis) is probably their best guy. He’s strong as **** and has handled some big-time games he’s faced. The center (Lloyd Cushenberry) is a good player. The tackles are improved, but I think they’re only slightly above average. No. 76 (right tackle Austin Deculus) still has a lot of trouble with speed, but Burrow is so good at getting rid of it, he compensates well for it.”

    So what would these coaches do in retrospect if facing LSU’s offense, or what do they think Venables might try?

    “You have to defend five guys in routes on every play,” says one of the defensive coordinators. “Not a zone exists that allows for that. Which means you better be able to get rush with four and be able to play man to man. Ohio State would have had the personnel on every level to have a shot to do that. I don’t know Clemson personnel.”

    The other defensive coordinator sounded less optimistic.

    “I thought we did things the right way,” he says. “We probably tried to tweak things a little too much. We were doubling Chase and bracketing Edwards-Helaire with our linebackers and playing that into spy on Burrow. But the game just goes a little too fast. There were a few times early we kinda stopped the play but it still turned into a plus-30 because Joe just did something.

    “What would I do differently? Just not play ’em.”
    Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2

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    Re: 2020 Cincinnati Bengals

    Tua just declared.

    You know that means Brown will trade out of the top pick and slide down to draft Tua, right?
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    Re: 2020 Cincinnati Bengals

    A quick note on the piece I excerpted above - the quote from the SEC coordinator on the LSU line is really interesting - that it was a good BUT NOT great line in his estimation - and that Burrow made them much more effective by his play. That is...hella hopeful for what I think Burrow can help bring to Cincinnati. I suspect he is good enough to raise the play of even an average offensive line.
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    Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2

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    Re: 2020 Cincinnati Bengals

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    Tua just declared.

    You know that means Brown will trade out of the top pick and slide down to draft Tua, right?
    No. Not really. I actually think Tua declaring is the opposite and really good news for those of us who want Burrow. It means Miami can sit tight and take Tua at #5 rather than try and overwhelm Cincinnati to get to #1 overall to get to Burrow in a scenario where Tua has gone back to college.
    Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2

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    Re: 2020 Cincinnati Bengals

    https://twitter.com/PFF_College/stat...12139470209025

    I wish I could get tweets to show up without you all having to click the link - but check that one out for the chart therein. Absolutely eye-popping with respect to Burrow vs. the rest of the QB class...
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    Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2

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    Re: 2020 Cincinnati Bengals

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    Tua just declared.

    You know that means Brown will trade out of the top pick and slide down to draft Tua, right?
    I don't think so. The Brown family likes tall QBs. I don't think Tua tempts them at all

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    The Rams let Wade Phillips go for some weird reason. Now THERE is a hire I would dearly love to add to Taylor's staff - and there's an obvious connection there too...
    Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2

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    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    The Rams let Wade Phillips go for some weird reason. Now THERE is a hire I would dearly love to add to Taylor's staff - and there's an obvious connection there too...
    Owner Ralph Wilson fired Phillips in 1998 because he refused to can the Bills' special team coach after the Music City Miracle. How dumb was that?

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    Re: 2020 Cincinnati Bengals

    Here's another holy crap Burrow chart - (definitely worth the click through since I still can't figure out how to embed):

    https://twitter.com/PFF_Anthony/stat...70915858567168
    Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2

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