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Thread: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #17 Prospect???

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #17 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    We must have very different definitions of "mediocre." Webster's (which I use) says mediocre = not very good. A 20 year old hitting above league average with a 104 wRC+ and playing shortstop is certainly a step (or two) above not very good.
    He did it in an age appropriate league, to clarify BaseClogger's point he did it in Greeneville (rookie ball) and not Dayton. 104 wRC+ is pretty average. All in all, it certainly wasn't a "very good" season, it definitely was not poor either. The fact he played SS gives him some added intrigue. Seems like mediocre (of moderate quality) is an accurate assessment.
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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #17 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    He did it in an age appropriate league, to clarify BaseClogger's point he did it in Greeneville (rookie ball) and not Dayton. 104 wRC+ is pretty average. All in all, it certainly wasn't a "very good" season, it definitely was not poor either. The fact he played SS gives him some added intrigue. Seems like mediocre (of moderate quality) is an accurate assessment.
    My memory got the best of me.

    As for the definition of "mediocre", I'm seeing this on merriam-webster.com:

    : of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance : ORDINARY, SO-SO
    edit: the Reds seem to think more highly of Miguel Hernandez, who they had playing shortstop at Dayton despite being younger than Johnson
    Last edited by *BaseClogger*; 01-15-2020 at 01:13 PM.

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #17 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    edit: the Reds seem to think more highly of Miguel Hernandez, who they had playing shortstop at Dayton despite being younger than Johnson
    I don't think that is a fair interpretation. The age difference is 6 months. Johnson was drafted out of a JUCO in the 2019 draft, whereas Hernandez was an international signee with 3 years of rookie ball under his belt. Greeneville seems like a normal stop for a 20 year old to get accustomed to playing pro-ball. Hernandez was approaching that crossroad where he had to make a jump out of rookie ball or become organizational filler/fade to obscurity.

    Unless they feel Hernandez has some huge untapped potential, I am guessing the Reds are much higher on Johnson now.
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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #17 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    He did it in an age appropriate league, to clarify BaseClogger's point he did it in Greeneville (rookie ball) and not Dayton. 104 wRC+ is pretty average. All in all, it certainly wasn't a "very good" season, it definitely was not poor either. The fact he played SS gives him some added intrigue. Seems like mediocre (of moderate quality) is an accurate assessment.
    A shortstop in an age appropriate league hitting even "pretty average" compared to all batters in the league is in itself very good given the defensive requirements of shortstop.

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    Re: 2019-2020: Who is the Reds #17 Prospect???

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    A shortstop in an age appropriate league hitting even "pretty average" compared to all batters in the league is in itself very good given the defensive requirements of shortstop.
    In the majors a league average bat at SS is a good player. But league average minor league bats don't translate into league average major league bats. Considering his scouting reports sound like he is a borderline SS who may end up at 2b, he is going to need to hit a bit more. If Johnson's season was "very good" he would be way higher than in the mix at 17. Jose Garcia had a very good season, he was a short stop who was above average at the plate, which is why he is near the top of the prospect list. That isn't a knock on Johnson, he is looking like a nice snag in the 4th round. He is definitely on the prospect radar.
    Last edited by Griffey012; 01-15-2020 at 04:28 PM.
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