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    Re: Jeter and Walker inducted to Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by JFLegal View Post
    another reason bonds & clemens should be in, imo: i guarantee you there are guys in the HOF right now who we all think were clean, but were using PEDs themselves. names that would shock us all. jmo.

    there's a lot of smart people on this board. do you really think only the guys who got caught were cheating? exactly. there's no chance that happened. some guys slipped through the cracks for sure imo.
    Well, if you look at the 50 years from 1946-95, there were nine players that hit 50 home runs. During the next 5 years of 97-01, there were 14. If they were juicing before, it sure wasn't exacerbating itself the same way.

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    Re: Jeter and Walker inducted to Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by BernieCarbo View Post
    Well, if you look at the 50 years from 1946-95, there were nine players that hit 50 home runs. During the next 5 years of 97-01, there were 14. If they were juicing before, it sure wasn't exacerbating itself the same way.
    why are you just focusing on the hitters? pitchers started juicing, too.

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    Re: Jeter and Walker inducted to Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by JFLegal View Post
    why are you just focusing on the hitters? pitchers started juicing, too.
    That was just one example and easily measurable. Plus, it's possible that pitchers don't benefit from it as much because strength isn't tied so closely to success (witness guys like Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddox, etc; no one ever suspected they used), whereas a batter has to move a 36 ounce bat from standstill to maximum speed in milliseconds. Physics dictates that the ball will travel further if the bat speed is higher, and it takes more energy to get the bat speed up. Sure, if I took steroids I still couldn't play in the major leagues, but if someone already had warning track power, that strength boost would put him over the top. Hence, the drastic increase in power by known users.

    Probably pitchers benefit most by steroids in recovery between starts and staying in shape to prevent injuries. Roger Clemens started out great, but the last few years in Boston he became fat and out of shape, and Boston gave up on him. But suddenly he became ripped, and had nine straight injury free seasons. Without using, it's doubtful he would have gotten as many starts as he did.

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