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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    The feed cut off for me as they were asking him what position he'd play. What did they say as to how they'll use him?


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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

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    The feed cut off for me as they were asking him what position he'd play. What did they say as to how they'll use him?
    Didn't get into specifics. Cast said he just wants to be in the lineup when asked about RF vs LF. I thought it was interesting when he was asked about the Opt out years and he turned the mic to Boras to answer, which he basically never answered.

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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    The feed cut off for me as they were asking him what position he'd play. What did they say as to how they'll use him?
    He said, in so many words, that it would be up to Bell, and that as long as his bat is in the lineup he will play wherever the Reds want him to in the field.

    He came across like a prototypical baseball robot man - short on words, a lot of discussion about clubhouse attitudes, and when asked what his goals were for the season he said "win" and turned the mic away.
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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

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    Didn't get into specifics. Cast said he just wants to be in the lineup when asked about RF vs LF. I thought it was interesting when he was asked about the Opt out years and he turned the mic to Boras to answer, which he basically never answered.
    I wasn't super surprised about that - it's kind of a bad question where what people speculate on RedsZone is almost certainly accurate, with a tiny caveat (like 1%) that Castellanos simply enjoys playing in Cincinnati, independent of production, and/or going into FA isn't seeming as lucrative as playing out the remainder of the deal would be.

    As stated earlier, the scenarios basically come down to:

    -NC rakes, opts out after 2020, and Reds offer QO which is declined, netting Reds comp pick
    -NC rakes, opts out after 2021, and Reds offer QO which is declined, netting Reds comp pick
    -NC rakes, opts out after 2020 or 2021, and Reds offer QO which is accepted, meaning NC stays around at basically the same salary for another year
    -NC doesn't play well enough to warrant delving into FA again, Reds have him through 2023
    -NC is terrible or gets hurt, Reds have him through 2023

    I'd say, given NC's profile, that scenarios 1, 2, or 4 are most likely, probably in order. Scenario 5 is just the simple concern that any player under contract has, NC isn't an injury risk and is young.
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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    I get the impression that winning is most important to Nick. So if the Reds win the NL Central our chances of keeping him are pretty good.

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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    Siri had 100 at bats in AAA with the major league ball. He hit no homers. And batted .186
    Which means something, just not everything. All I am saying is the Rule 5 guy? That's a mirage. Siri at least is a plus defender, and has shown power as recently as 2017. Then his power dipped as he advanced. Maybe he peaked, or maybe he's still young enough to have an Aquino like resurgence at Louisville this year. I hope the Reds keep him and he flourishes enough to be enticing as a trade piece if nothing else.
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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Not really though.. the penalty for signing a free agent with a QO is not nearly as severe as it once was.
    Clubs that get revenue sharing lose their 3rd pick (not 3rd round, 3rd pick)... Teams without revenue sharing lose their 2nd and 5th picks.. That's not going to deter any club from signing Castillanos if he has a monster year and the market is healthy http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/qualifying-offer

    Under the old rules, losing your first round pick was a big deal. Under the new rules, the pick loss is not that big of a deal.


    Here's how the compensation works (Same link)
    Players who have received the QO still seem to have a more difficult time signing, often for less than what the QO was. While it may not be as big of deal anymore, if you are comparing two similar players, and one has the QO and one doesn't, guess who has a more favorable situation.

    Go back and look over the past 5 years and see what kinds of contracts were given to the mid level free agent players. The top guys are still getting PAID, but the second tier, the guys who are good, maybe all stars, maybe fringe MVP candidates, maybe guys who get a vote or two, aren't getting paid. They are capping out around the $16-$18M and they aren't getting more than four years.

    Honestly, I think the Reds brass knows that unless something very unlikely happens, Castellanos deal right now is the best long term deal he is going to get. If he opts out, he may be playing the FA market for years to come.

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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

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    Which means something, just not everything. All I am saying is the Rule 5 guy? That's a mirage. Siri at least is a plus defender, and has shown power as recently as 2017. Then his power dipped as he advanced. Maybe he peaked, or maybe he's still young enough to have an Aquino like resurgence at Louisville this year. I hope the Reds keep him and he flourishes enough to be enticing as a trade piece if nothing else.
    I'd say the odds of Payton being somewhat for real are way higher than Siri figuring out how to hit. I believe Payton was a swing changer which coincided with a big boost in performance, ala Aquino. Siri should probably look to go the swing/approach overhaul at this point.
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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    I don’t really understand how this contract is a positive for the Reds outside of not being an overpay like MM.

    I thought the goal for a team was to “lock em up”. Why not just sign him to an Ozuna deal? I can’t see how this flexibility benefits anyone but the player. If he’s awesome he’s gone (likely) , if he sucks, we’re stuck with him.

    If he hits 40HR and 50 doubles, he’ll be outta here 5 minutes after the WS ends... I guess if we are wearing the ring it doesn’t matter. :-/

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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    Siri had 100 at bats in AAA with the major league ball. He hit no homers. And batted .186
    He has a long history of being very bad to be perfectly honest. Not sure why anyone would care that he was DFA. He will likely clear waivers.

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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeCallMeTim View Post
    I don’t really understand how this contract is a positive for the Reds outside of not being an overpay like MM.

    I thought the goal for a team was to “lock em up”. Why not just sign him to an Ozuna deal? I can’t see how this flexibility benefits anyone but the player. If he’s awesome he’s gone (likely) , if he sucks, we’re stuck with him.

    If he hits 40HR and 50 doubles, he’ll be outta here 5 minutes after the WS ends... I guess if we are wearing the ring it doesn’t matter. :-/
    If he does so awesome that he walks from the rest of the money, that means the Reds got an MVP season for a bargain with no longterm commitment. That is not the worst way to spend that money.

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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    I'd say the odds of Payton being somewhat for real are way higher than Siri figuring out how to hit. I believe Payton was a swing changer which coincided with a big boost in performance, ala Aquino. Siri should probably look to go the swing/approach overhaul at this point.
    The 24 HR's Siri hit in Dayton almost equaled the Rule 5 guy's career total prior to last year. (btw, I'm going to keep calling him that. no need to remember his name, he's headed back to the team the Reds claimed him from.)

    Siri has power. The Reds changed the stance/approach of Aquino, VanMeter and the notorious BOG. All saw huge improvements in their offensive game because of it. Will Siri, given the chance, see the same or similar improvements? If he goes unclaimed, we might see, and he might be a diamond in the rough.

    Probably nothing comes of it, but for a change, I'm not down on the Reds development staff. It seems they finally have a system/philosophy when it comes to hitting and pitching. Bodes well, I think.
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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    I'm wondering. Regardless of whether Siri clears waivers or not, he's at a similar crossroads in his career that Aquino was last year. Now he does not have all the same events, but he does have a few. If he clears waivers, he's likely slated for AAA, so he'll be hitting the same ball used in MLB. Now, why that ball is not used at EVERY level is weird to me, apparently it is not, and he'll likely see a bump in power because of it. He's confronting the idea he is no longer worth a 40 man roster spot. He's in an analytics/sports science based development system.

    He has everything to gain, nothing to lose. And he's a plus defender in CF. He's a year and a third younger than Aquino. With Siri, like Aquino it isn't about the tools. They have those in abundance. It's about development and the ability to adapt. The Reds have adapted their development programs, and Aquino seems to have embraced that. Can Siri? Who knows, but it's real curious that the Reds opted to keep a 27 year old with 62 Career HR's, 30 of which came last year in a season in the PCL unlike every other season he's had. He's not going to stick on the 26 man, so the Reds should have just offered him back, unless they know something more than what the numbers say.
    Seems like a giant ball of "who cares?" Siri needs to be off the 40. Payton won't be making the team. Schebler's probably gone before the season starts. I wouldn't sweat the order of perfunctory operations. Also, Siri will clear waivers. He's the new Dilson Herrera. No one wants that guy.
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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    If he does so awesome that he walks from the rest of the money, that means the Reds got an MVP season for a bargain with no longterm commitment. That is not the worst way to spend that money.
    I’m in agreement with this. I think there’s actually a really good chance that Castellanos doesn’t take the first opt out and waits until the expiration of the current CBA following the 2021 season. If he has a really bad experience in Cincy or if he goes completely out of his mind and garners MVP votes in 2020, that could obviously change the calculus.

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    Re: Reds sign OF Nicholas Castellanos to four-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeCallMeTim View Post
    I don’t really understand how this contract is a positive for the Reds outside of not being an overpay like MM.

    I thought the goal for a team was to “lock em up”. Why not just sign him to an Ozuna deal? I can’t see how this flexibility benefits anyone but the player. If he’s awesome he’s gone (likely) , if he sucks, we’re stuck with him.

    If he hits 40HR and 50 doubles, he’ll be outta here 5 minutes after the WS ends... I guess if we are wearing the ring it doesn’t matter. :-/
    I suspect the Reds wanted pay flex to do something else (probably a reliever or two). To get Castellanos for one year might have cost $20-22mm (I'm guessing). Instead they offer him $16mm and something else valuable, the downside protection of the 4 year deal. The extra opt out in year two is also really valuable. The Reds are paying a lot to Castellanos in option value instead of paying him in cash. Boras must have convinced the Reds that his client would only sign away his very valuable age-28 season for big money. This structure gets NC into Cincinnati for one year and leaves Reds with several million to spend elsewhere.

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