Greatest MLB Hall of Fame Snubs

[GADawg]

I kind of wonder if all of his one day comebacks hurt his cause. That he's seen more for that than his outstanding career.

of course i'm no sportswriter but i think you're right....even being the fan i am i didn't know he was such a good player but only that he played in ten decades or whatever it was

[savafan]

Kenny Lofton is the one that I don't understand. Bonds/Clemens - better players, but I can at least understand what's happening to them right now. With Lofton, I just can't figure out how he got the boot after the first year on the ballot, even as loaded as it was.

If he had spent 10 years in New York instead of Cleveland, putting up the same numbers, he would be a no doubter.

[goreds2]

Al Oliver

Steve Garvey

Dave Parker

[reds77]

Kenny Lofton is the one that I don't understand. Bonds/Clemens - better players, but I can at least understand what's happening to them right now. With Lofton, I just can't figure out how he got the boot after the first year on the ballot, even as loaded as it was.

It doesn't feel like the Stolen Base gets any love. Vince Coleman is sixth on the all time list with 752 stolen bases. Had he been a top six in hits, average, home runs, or RBIs, he'd likely be in the HoF.

[getfoul]

I kind of wonder if all of his one day comebacks hurt his cause. That he's seen more for that than his outstanding career.

I agree that’s part of the problem. That, and just not having the collective stats that a normal 15-20 yr HOF guy has. But when you dig deeper into the reasons why he’s not in, Minoso’s 11 great years should put him in.

Side note- Tony Perez copied Minoso’s stance.

[bucksfan2]

A guy that is sort of interesting to me Andrew Jones. My first thought was no, but then you look into the numbers and they are pretty surprising. Career .830OPS, 435 HRs and 10 Gold Gloves as a CF. dWAR is a pretty wonky stat and very hard to quantify accurately especially for older players, but all-time there is nobody even remotely close to him

Had Andruw Jones retired after his last year in Atlanta, I think he is a sure fire HOF. He hung on for another five or so years as an average or below average player. I think those years hurt him more than his good years helped him. For a decade he was the best defensive CF in the game. Oh and not a bad offensive player either.

[BCubb2003]

Had Andruw Jones retired after his last year in Atlanta, I think he is a sure fire HOF. He hung on for another five or so years as an average or below average player. I think those years hurt him more than his good years helped him. For a decade he was the best defensive CF in the game. Oh and not a bad offensive player either.

I’ve asked the question before and he might be the answer — someone who already had a HoF career and played his way out of it.

Vada Pinson is my favorite player of all time and I’d be happy if he got in. But it’s the Hall of Fame, and he wasn’t famous. He was overshadowed by a couple of teammates.

[westofyou]

Bill Dahlen

[westofyou]

I’ve asked the question before and he might be the answer — someone who already had a HoF career and played his way out of it.

Vada Pinson is my favorite player of all time and I’d be happy if he got in. But it’s the Hall of Fame, and he wasn’t famous. He was overshadowed by a couple of teammates.

Vada Pinson 18-27

YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   OBA  SLG   OPS
1958 Reds         19   27    96   20   26   7   0   1   1.04    8   11   18    2   1  .271  .352  .375  .727 
1959 Reds         20  154   648  131  205  47   9  20   3.09   84   55   98   21   6  .316  .371  .509  .880 
1960 Reds         21  154   652  107  187  37  12  20   3.07   61   47   96   32  12  .287  .339  .472  .811 
1961 Reds         22  154   607  101  208  34   8  16   2.64   87   39   63   23  10  .343  .379  .504  .883 
1962 Reds         23  155   619  107  181  31   7  23   3.72  100   45   68   26   8  .292  .341  .477  .817 
1963 Reds         24  162   652   96  204  37  14  22   3.37  106   36   80   27   8  .313  .347  .514  .861 
1964 Reds         25  156   625   99  166  23  11  23   3.68   84   42   99    8   2  .266  .316  .448  .764 
1965 Reds         26  159   669   97  204  34  10  22   3.29   94   43   81   21   8  .305  .352  .484  .836 
1966 Reds         27  156   618   70  178  35   6  16   2.59   76   33   83   18  10  .288  .326  .442  .768 
     TOTALS          1277  5186  828 1559 285  77 163   3.14  700  351  686  178  65  .301  .346  .480  .826 
     LG AVERAGE            5186  695 1402 223  45 147   2.84  649  467  772   73  39  .270  .332  .416  .748 
     POS AVERAGE           5186  802 1454 242  56 158   3.04  640  447  765  127  56  .280  .339  .440  .779 

Vada Pinson  28-36
	 
YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   OBA  SLG   OPS
1967 Reds         28  158   650   90  187  28  13  18   2.77   66   26   86   26   8  .288  .318  .454  .771 
1968 Reds         29  130   499   60  135  29   6   5   1.00   48   32   59   17  11  .271  .311  .383  .694 
1969 Cardinals    30  132   495   58  126  22   6  10   2.02   70   35   63    4   4  .255  .303  .384  .686 
1970 Indians      31  148   574   74  164  28   6  24   4.18   82   28   69    7   6  .286  .319  .481  .800 
1971 Indians      32  146   566   60  149  23   4  11   1.94   35   21   58   25   6  .263  .295  .376  .672 
1972 Angels       33  136   484   56  133  24   2   7   1.45   49   30   54   17   6  .275  .321  .376  .697 
1973 Angels       34  124   466   56  121  14   6   8   1.72   57   20   55    5   5  .260  .286  .367  .653 
1974 Royals       35  115   406   46  112  18   2   6   1.48   41   21   45   21   5  .276  .312  .374  .686 
1975 Royals       36  103   319   38   71  14   5   4   1.25   22   10   21    5   6  .223  .248  .335  .583 
     TOTALS          1192  4459  538 1198 200  50  93   2.09  470  223  510  127  57  .269  .304  .399  .703 
     LG AVERAGE            4459  558 1155 183  30 110   2.46  520  428  668   66  41  .259  .326  .412  .737 
     POS AVERAGE           4459  620 1192 193  37 136   3.04  552  438  704   92  50  .267  .335  .444  .779

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It doesn't feel like the Stolen Base gets any love. Vince Coleman is sixth on the all time list with 752 stolen bases. Had he been a top six in hits, average, home runs, or RBIs, he'd likely be in the HoF.

Retired with 12.5 WAR

[WrongVerb]

I’ve asked the question before and he might be the answer — someone who already had a HoF career and played his way out of it.

Dale Murphy

Fell off a cliff after his age 31 season.

[RedsManRick]

It doesn't feel like the Stolen Base gets any love. Vince Coleman is sixth on the all time list with 752 stolen bases. Had he been a top six in hits, average, home runs, or RBIs, he'd likely be in the HoF.

In a given season, being a historically great base stealer provides your team as much value as being a slightly above average hitter. It's icing. The rest are generally part of the cake -- it's difficult (though not impossible) to be that elite in areas of batting with providing your team substantial production .

[Tracy Jones]

Had Andruw Jones retired after his last year in Atlanta, I think he is a sure fire HOF. He hung on for another five or so years as an average or below average player. I think those years hurt him more than his good years helped him. For a decade he was the best defensive CF in the game. Oh and not a bad offensive player either.

Same could happen with Joey Votto. If he finishes the rest of his career like last season, I think it hurts his cause. Of course just one more very good to excellent year and I think he’s in.

[westofyou]

Same could happen with Joey Votto. If he finishes the rest of his career like last season, I think it hurts his cause. Of course just one more very good to excellent year and I think he’s in.

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[Bob Sheed]

Andre Dawson

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...awsoan01.shtml

8 time GG
8 time AS
1 time MVP
4 time Silver Slugger

Oh wait, he was inducted in 2010.

Getting old sucks.

[Tracy Jones]

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You have to wonder how much better Mize, along with several other of his peers would have looked had they not had to sacrifice some of their prime playing years for military service, which was probably also taken into consideration when he was up for election. I never really knew how good he was until you posted that comparison chart, but he was pretty incredible, as was/is Votto. But I believe if Votto hangs on and the rest of his career is like last season or worse, it’s gonna hurt his case. He won’t have the counting numbers and he’ll have to be judged basically on 8 years. Not sure it’ll be enough.