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    best set up reliever for reds

    The Blade- Tom Hall

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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Sully was one of the last of the multi inning workhorse relievers - he gets my vote
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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Pick a Nasty Boy...Can't go wrong with any.

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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

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    Pick a Nasty Boy...Can't go wrong with any.
    I'd take Dibble in his prime over anyone since 1980.
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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

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    I'd take Dibble in his prime over anyone since 1980.
    Can't go wrong with Charlton, either.
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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    Sully was one of the last of the multi inning workhorse relievers - he gets my vote
    Last 30 years

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    1    Scott Sullivan             5
    2    Joe Boever                 4
    3    Duane Ward                 3
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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Sullivan was a middle relief guy who could eat innings better than just about anyone.

    That had value. Extreme value for a team as starved for pitching as the Reds of his era were.

    But he's not even in my top five set-up men.

    5. Rob Murphy
    He's long-forgotten by most, but Murphy was consistently good for four years as a set-up guy for John Franco and others. Led the league in appearances in his last season as a Red and ended up with a 151 ERA+.

    4. John Franco
    Set up Ted Power for a couple of seasons before settling in as a premier closer for almost 20 seasons. Possible HOF candidate, but lack of set-up numbers limit his upside here.

    3. Norm Charlton
    Could pitch anywhere in any situation. Analytic-minded front office could have probably used him wiser, but Charlton was very good. Gets bonus points for being a part of the Nasty Boys.

    2. Arthur Rhodes
    He was old and largely out of shape. He's at best a footnote in Cincinnati history, but Rhodes was dominant in his two seasons as a Red. A rare All-Star set-up guy, his career ERA+ as a Red was over 170. And it's not like he did this in just a few innings. He averaged nearly 70 games in his two years.

    1. Rob Dibble
    He only set up for three years, but Dibble was crazy-good (emphasis on crazy) for those three seasons. No one was more feared. No one was more dominant.

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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    Can't go wrong with Charlton, either.
    Charlton also bounced between starting and relieving. He started 16 games in 1990, and 37 games in 5 seasons with the Reds. Not only that, he was often a 1+ inning guy, not an 8th inning shutdown guy. Don't get me wrong -- I would love his production in the pen, but given he was more of a swing guy, I think Dibble qualifies better as the setup guy there.
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    Clay Carroll did NOT lead The Reds in saves in four of the eight years he pitched for The Reds.

    Technically, he was a setup reliever in 69 (150 IP), 70 (104 IP), 74 (100 IP) (8th in Cy Young voting) and 75 (96 IP).
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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Hall was awesome for a year or two. So was Rhodes. Sullivan was pretty good too. I'd take Dibble I think. Carroll if not him. He had as many innings as today's starters do. .
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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Pedro Borbon (simply because he doesn't get enough mentions around here). ��

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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Sean Marshall...the one year he was healthy.

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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    Charlton also bounced between starting and relieving. He started 16 games in 1990, and 37 games in 5 seasons with the Reds. Not only that, he was often a 1+ inning guy, not an 8th inning shutdown guy. Don't get me wrong -- I would love his production in the pen, but given he was more of a swing guy, I think Dibble qualifies better as the setup guy there.
    I was at a game in the summer of 1990 when Charlton pitched a three-hit shutout. Paul O'Neill hit 2 HR's, and Eric Davis hit a HR off the facing of the yellow seats.
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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    Scott Williamson in 2002 put up one of the best seasons I can remember for a Reds setup man (for closer Graves), too bad his shoulder fell apart.

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    Re: best set up reliever for reds

    bill henry set up jim brosnan
    will mcenaney set up rawlings eastwick
    don nottebart set up ted abernathy


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