COVID-19 Thread

[Boston Red]

Not sure about the 100k number. Probably a bit of puffery. However, I'm fairly certain that a large number of people who get the virus never show any symptoms, so they would never even know they had it, much less need to go to the hospital. Unfortunately, that makes it tougher to know who is spreading it.

[jup]

Not sure about the 100k number. Probably a bit of puffery. However, I'm fairly certain that a large number of people who get the virus never show any symptoms, so they would never even know they had it, much less need to go to the hospital. Unfortunately, that makes it tougher to know who is spreading it.

I think "puffery" is probably a good guess. And a very nice way to describe it

[Kingspoint]

Not sure about the 100k number. Probably a bit of puffery. However, I'm fairly certain that a large number of people who get the virus never show any symptoms, so they would never even know they had it, much less need to go to the hospital. Unfortunately, that makes it tougher to know who is spreading it.

The article I posted a couple of posts back says that 30% of the transmissions occur from asymptomatic carriers.

[Kingspoint]

Read this article if you want to understand why this quarantine is going to last into the Summer:

Today:

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKBN21K18Z

[Boston Red]

Read this article if you want to understand why this quarantine is going to last into the Summer:

Today:

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKBN21K18Z

That is certainly troubling. Don't mistake this for advocating for this position....but those sorts of facts are going to make some people decide it's better to do nothing (or little) than quarantine people for 4 months. I hear this a lot from people who aren't stupid (possibly ignorant on this topic, but not stupid people). It's going to be necessary to confront that position with facts/logic and not merely appeals to emotion (which I think are sufficient right now). It's going to take some pretty staggering numbers (more staggering than what we've already seen) to convince a lot of people, whether we like it or not. It hasn't helped those efforts when China and others severely under reported their cases (does anyone ACTUALLY believe China has had fewer cases and deaths than the US at this point?).

[North]

Cincinnnati facing more than $80M shortfall over next 2 years

"CINCINNATI (WKRC) - Cincinnati City Council heard the projections on how the coronavirus pandemic would impact the city’s budget, and the numbers weren’t pretty.
Cincinnati could be facing a deficit of more than $80 million over the next two years, city officials said, primarily because of a steep drop in income tax revenues."

https://local12.com/news/local/city-...ars-cincinnati

[BuckeyeRed27]

Read this article if you want to understand why this quarantine is going to last into the Summer:

Today:

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKBN21K18Z

Until we have widely available rapid testing, a way to treat people that get sick and massive stockpiles of PPE for hospitals and first responders, we are stuck. That's the only bridge to a vaccine.

[Sea Ray]

I can remember paying 1.05 in Northern Cincinnati in 1998, based on inflation that might be the cheapest it's ever been.

Based on inflation that'd be 1.67 today. The gas out by me is $1.32 right now

[Kingspoint]

When all is said and done, the quarantine will get lifted when the economic strain of its existence outweighs the value of "those who are expendable", and sadly, because humans are warped, self-centered and animalistic in nature, the boomers will soon become "expendable" and their drain on the healthcare system (keeping them alive on medicare and medicaid), paying them social security, their lack of income from jobs will all go away, while their assets will be given to people in their 40's and 50's (with the government taking a cut in estate taxes) who can reinvest it into longer-term growth,...all of which will push the decision to let the virus run its course (like in Sweden) and the economy can begin to get back on its feet. Europe will benefit by this decision the most as their elderly are a bigger drain on their federal budgets than in the U.S. It's horrible, but it's the truth. This is our human society, like it or not. We are no different than a herd of animals (invisible pink unicorn believers can think what you want).

The balance between too much of a strain on economies will vary from place to place versus the decision to let the "expendable" die, but it should take place during the course of the entire Summer. Some places will try in May with all kinds of results, but the majority should be in June and July.

Humans only remain kind and loving and sharing as long as they continue to believe that their economic system will remain functional. Once that belief wanes or disappears it becomes dog eat dog and we are about three to six months away from that.

[jup]

When all is said and done, the quarantine will get lifted when the economic strain of its existence outweighs the value of "those who are expendable", and sadly, because humans are warped, self-centered and animalistic in nature, the boomers will soon become "expendable" and their drain on the healthcare system (keeping them alive on medicare and medicaid), paying them social security, their lack of income from jobs will all go away, while their assets will be given to people in their 40's and 50's (with the government taking a cut in estate taxes) who can reinvest it into longer-term growth,...all of which will push the decision to let the virus run its course (like in Sweden) and the economy can begin to get back on its feet. Europe will benefit by this decision the most as their elderly are a bigger drain on their federal budgets than in the U.S. It's horrible, but it's the truth. This is our human society, like it or not. We are no different than a herd of animals (invisible pink unicorn believers can think what you want).

The balance between too much of a strain on economies will vary from place to place versus the decision to let the "expendable" die, but it should take place during the course of the entire Summer. Some places will try in May with all kinds of results, but the majority should be in June and July.

Humans only remain kind and loving and sharing as long as they continue to believe that their economic system will remain functional. Once that belief wanes or disappears it becomes dog eat dog and we are about three to six months away from that.

Not sure I would discount human ingenuity.

A force that is only amplified by modern day tech. They will come up with something that helps at both the economic end and the fatality faster than one might think.

[Kinsm]

As of Tuesday, more than 86,100 tests had been administered in California, and of those, 57,400 results were still pending. By comparison, New York, which has about half the population of California, has processed more than 200,000 tests. Washington state, which has less than a fifth of California’s population, has processed 65,462 tests.

[Redsfaithful]

Washington is probably the model state right now, in general. Did not look like it would be that way out of the gate.

[dougdirt]

Ohio just announced their unemployment numbers from the last two weeks: 468,414.

To put that in perspective, the populations of the cities of Cincinnati and Dayton combined is 441,139 people.

[RedTeamGo!]

When all is said and done, the quarantine will get lifted when the economic strain of its existence outweighs the value of "those who are expendable", and sadly, because humans are warped, self-centered and animalistic in nature, the boomers will soon become "expendable" and their drain on the healthcare system (keeping them alive on medicare and medicaid), paying them social security, their lack of income from jobs will all go away, while their assets will be given to people in their 40's and 50's (with the government taking a cut in estate taxes) who can reinvest it into longer-term growth,...all of which will push the decision to let the virus run its course (like in Sweden) and the economy can begin to get back on its feet. Europe will benefit by this decision the most as their elderly are a bigger drain on their federal budgets than in the U.S. It's horrible, but it's the truth. This is our human society, like it or not. We are no different than a herd of animals (invisible pink unicorn believers can think what you want).

The balance between too much of a strain on economies will vary from place to place versus the decision to let the "expendable" die, but it should take place during the course of the entire Summer. Some places will try in May with all kinds of results, but the majority should be in June and July.

Humans only remain kind and loving and sharing as long as they continue to believe that their economic system will remain functional. Once that belief wanes or disappears it becomes dog eat dog and we are about three to six months away from that.

It’s not just the economic system people are worried about, it’s about feeding themselves and their children and having a roof over their head.

[Wonderful Monds]

It’s not just the economic system people are worried about, it’s about feeding themselves and their children and having a roof over their head.

On top of the fact that isn’t mentally sustainable for a long period of time. People aren’t built to be totally isolated, especially long term.


At some point, we’re going to have to put the onus on the vulnerable to protect themselves, once hospitals are built up to capacity and we have treatments that are at least somewhat helpful. We can’t just ruin everyone’s lives forever to save a very small portion of the population.