Cinci Enquirer: Pick your All-Time Reds team

[Cyclone792]

C: Bench
1B: Votto
2B: Morgan
3B: Groh
SS: Larkin
LF: Rose
CF: Roush
RF: Robinson

Rotation: Walters, Rixey, Rijo, Cueto and Luque

[North]

Reds All-Time Team: Franco, Chapman, Dibble make up the fans' dream bullpen
JOHN FAY | CINCINNATI ENQUIRER
Updated 3 hours ago
This is the last in a series of stories on the winners of the fan vote for the Reds All-Time Team:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...en/5129903002/

[M2]

Rotation: Walters, Rixey, Rijo, Cueto and Luque

Nailed the rotation.

[North]

Here are the results:

Reds All-Time Team voted by fans
17 PHOTOS
8:56 a.m. EDT Apr. 12, 2020

https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-g...ns/2978212001/

[RedsBaron]

Here are the results:

Reds All-Time Team voted by fans
17 PHOTOS
8:56 a.m. EDT Apr. 12, 2020

https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-g...ns/2978212001/

Hmmmm….I guess most fans believe major league baseball was created around 1970 or so. Frank Robinson and Jim Maloney are the only players selected who played for the Reds prior to then. Yes, Rose, Bench and Perez played for the Reds in the 1960s but they were of course mainstays of the 70s BRM.

[westofyou]

Hmmmm….I guess most fans believe major league baseball was created around 1970 or so. Frank Robinson and Jim Maloney are the only players selected who played for the Reds prior to then. Yes, Rose, Bench and Perez played for the Reds in the 1960s but they were of course mainstays of the 70s BRM.

Most baseball fans know nothing about baseball history, unless it’s their history or a relatives history relayed to them

[foster15]

HmmmmÂ….I guess most fans believe major league baseball was created around 1970 or so. Frank Robinson and Jim Maloney are the only players selected who played for the Reds prior to then. Yes, Rose, Bench and Perez played for the Reds in the 1960s but they were of course mainstays of the 70s BRM.

Yes, there's going to be a bias toward players that people saw play. But other than Foster and Davis, the starting positions players are either hall of famers or in one case, a sure 1st ballot hall of famer before being banned. I'm satisfied with the relievers since they included John Franco in there who was the Reds best reliever I ever saw and it's a crime he's not in the Reds HOF yet. Starting pitching is where I can see your side. They did include the Reds best aces since the 60s but there were plenty more before that probably more deserving then some included. Bucky Walters for one.

Also, the Reds won 3/5th of their world series championships after the 60s and 3/4th of their legitimate ones. They won 5/9th of their National League Pennants in that time also and 2/3rds since the 60s. So no matter how unfair it might seem, the Reds from 1970 on have been a lot more successful than the Reds before that and post season success always trumps the alternative.

[RedsBaron]

Yes, there's going to be a bias toward players that people saw play. But other than Foster and Davis, the starting positions players are either hall of famers or in one case, a sure 1st ballot hall of famer before being banned. I'm satisfied with the relievers since they included John Franco in there who was the Reds best reliever I ever saw and it's a crime he's not in the Reds HOF yet. Starting pitching is where I can see your side. They did include the Reds best aces since the 60s but there were plenty more before that probably more deserving then some included. Bucky Walters for one.

Also, the Reds won 3/5th of their world series championships after the 60s and 3/4th of their legitimate ones. They won 5/9th of their National League Pennants in that time also and 2/3rds since the 60s. So no matter how unfair it might seem, the Reds from 1970 on have been a lot more successful than the Reds before that and post season success always trumps the alternative.

It is the omission of Bucky Walters that is my primary gripe about the fan selected team. My own all time Reds team on this thread only had five potential players whose best days came before 1970: Frank Robinson, Vada Pinson, Jim Maloney, Ted Kluzewski and Walters. I understand the arguments for a few other players from decades ago but I generally went with the more recent players because I truly believe they were better, but Walters at least had to be included. Had the Cy Young award been in effect during his career Walters probably would have been a three time Cy Young winner.

[RedsBaron]

In fairness to Reds fans, the fan voting for MLB's "All Century Team" also had some ridiculous results.
For example the fans leading vote getter as the greatest pitcher of all time was Nolan Ryan. Most spectacular, yes I could see that. Best ever? Nuts. The fans also selected, in order of most votes, Sandy Koufax, Cy Young (having an award named after you is bound to help in voting), Roger Clemens, Bob Gibson and Walter Johnson. They left out, among others, Warren Spahn, Christy Mathewson and Lefty Grove, all of whom were later added by an expert panel.
Fans selected as the two greatest second basemen of all time Jackie Robinson and Rogers Hornsby. Jackie was the most historically significant player ever, and he was a great second baseman, but not the greatest second baseman ever. Joe Morgan would have been a better choice, among others.
Fans selected as the two greatest shortstops ever Ernie Banks and Cal Ripken. Fortunately the panel of experts added Honus Wagner.
Fans selected Mike Schmidt and Brooks Robinson as the two greatest third basemen ever. Schmidt deserved his being the leading vote getter at this position, but George Brett and Eddie Mathews would have been better picks than Brooks Robinson.
The outfield wasn't terrible, as fans selected Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle and Ty Cobb as their top seven, in order. However, even at that time Barry Bonds would have been a better choice than Ken Griffey Jr., and since they were both in mid-career then Frank Robinson arguably would have been a better pick. The worse outfield choice was my boyhood idol, Pete Rose, instead of Stan Musial, whom the expert panel later added.

[Big Klu]

In fairness to Reds fans, the fan voting for MLB's "All Century Team" also had some ridiculous results.
For example the fans leading vote getter as the greatest pitcher of all time was Nolan Ryan. Most spectacular, yes I could see that. Best ever? Nuts. The fans also selected, in order of most votes, Sandy Koufax, Cy Young (having an award named after you is bound to help in voting), Roger Clemens, Bob Gibson and Walter Johnson. They left out, among others, Warren Spahn, Christy Mathewson and Lefty Grove, all of whom were later added by an expert panel.
Fans selected as the two greatest second basemen of all time Jackie Robinson and Rogers Hornsby. Jackie was the most historically significant player ever, and he was a great second baseman, but not the greatest second baseman ever. Joe Morgan would have been a better choice, among others.
Fans selected as the two greatest shortstops ever Ernie Banks and Cal Ripken. Fortunately the panel of experts added Honus Wagner.
Fans selected Mike Schmidt and Brooks Robinson as the two greatest third basemen ever. Schmidt deserved his being the leading vote getter at this position, but George Brett and Eddie Mathews would have been better picks than Brooks Robinson.
The outfield wasn't terrible, as fans selected Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle and Ty Cobb as their top seven, in order. However, even at that time Barry Bonds would have been a better choice than Ken Griffey Jr., and since they were both in mid-career then Frank Robinson arguably would have been a better pick. The worse outfield choice was my boyhood idol, Pete Rose, instead of Stan Musial, whom the expert panel later added.

This is why I don't vote on lists like these, and also why I don't participate in All-Star voting or pay attention to the All-Star Game.

[Phoenix2]

Reds beat the Nationals in MLB's Dream Bracket Tournament.

But the fact it was close doesn't bode well for the dream team's long term prospects. I like the team they decided upon however Bucky Walters is a clear oversight.

REDS

Pitchers: Tom Seaver, Jim Maloney, Mario Soto, Jose Rijo, Aroldis Chapman, Randy Myers, Norm Charlton, Rob Dibble, John Franco, Don Gullett, Johnny Cueto

Starters:
C: Johnny Bench
1B: Joey Votto
2B: Joe Morgan
3B: Pete Rose
SS: Barry Larkin
LF: George Foster
CF: Eric Davis
RF: Frank Robinson
DH: Ted Kluszewski

Bench: Tony Perez, Dave Concepcion, Vada Pinson, Adam Dunn, Jay Bruce, Ernie Lombardi

[foster15]

Reds beat the Nationals in MLB's Dream Bracket Tournament.

But the fact it was close doesn't bode well for the dream team's long term prospects. I like the team they decided upon however Bucky Walters is a clear oversight.

REDS

Pitchers: Tom Seaver, Jim Maloney, Mario Soto, Jose Rijo, Aroldis Chapman, Randy Myers, Norm Charlton, Rob Dibble, John Franco, Don Gullett, Johnny Cueto

Starters:
C: Johnny Bench
1B: Joey Votto
2B: Joe Morgan
3B: Pete Rose
SS: Barry Larkin
LF: George Foster
CF: Eric Davis
RF: Frank Robinson
DH: Ted Kluszewski

Bench: Tony Perez, Dave Concepcion, Vada Pinson, Adam Dunn, Jay Bruce, Ernie Lombardi

Yikes, I'd take Dave Parker and Ken Griffey Sr. over Bruce in RF. And surely we could find a better backup LF than Adam Dunn.

I also take exception to the Charlton and Myers over Granger and Carroll.

[Bruce Berenyi]

foster 15 do you think the reds gave up too much in vern geishert to acquire you?

[Big Klu]

foster 15 do you think the reds gave up too much in vern geishert to acquire you?

Not only Geishert, but the inimitable Frank Duffy as well.

[foster15]

Not only Geishert, but the inimitable Frank Duffy as well.

Yes, Duffy was the one they shouldn't have given up. I mean, what would've happened if Woody Woodward got hurt and Concepcion wasn't ready to take over yet? We would've been down to just Darrel Chaney.

BTW, now that we're talking about Woody Woodward, was Paul Newman a Reds fan since he married into the family?