I think it shows there isn't a ton of middle ground and it doesn't take much to go from basically nothing, to a big flare up of cases and that can happy pretty much anywhere.Originally Posted by Boston Red
I think it shows there isn't a ton of middle ground and it doesn't take much to go from basically nothing, to a big flare up of cases and that can happy pretty much anywhere.
Redsfaithful (05-12-2020),redsfandan (05-11-2020),SteelSD (05-11-2020)
But you also have to consider that the demographic makeup and the prevalence of risk factors are not equal between urban and rural populations.
You could summarize it as, there's less opportunity for exposure in rural areas, but those exposed in rural areas are more likely to have risk factors and bad outcomes. How much each counters the other is something I don't know and am not in a position to speculate. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the subject of ongoing studies.
Last edited by paintmered; 05-11-2020 at 03:54 PM. Reason: quick grammar fix
All models are wrong. Some of them are useful.
SteelSD (05-11-2020)
Obviously the best thing to do when you're the Governor of say, Michigan, is to apply the same rules to Detroit as the Upper Peninsula.
Sea Ray (05-11-2020)
I think I've recognized the flaw in your thinking. The person you're asking that of is not well known on this board for either consideration or reflection.
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redsfandan (05-11-2020),RedsfaninMT (05-13-2020)
It's equally silly to think that's what I was insinuating. I'm just saying we're learning it has more to do with indoor spaces than outdoor spaces, and no matter how densely populated your home neighborhood may be, most people conduct business indoors.
Also, I think the six foot guideline is sorta outdated at this point? You can definitely get sick by sharing the same room as an infected person for a few hours, even if you are a hundred feet away...
Looking at raw volume isn't "context". To provide you some, around 7.5% of Dakota county (part of the Sioux City metro area) has tested positive to this point (that county only has @20K residents). It's an absolutely terrible situation; one of the worst in the nation.
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mth123 (05-11-2020),Redsfaithful (05-12-2020)
For those who wanted some reports because they didn't believe the economic fallout will end up causing more death than the virus itself:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/economic-...110003724.html
"The U.N. predicts the coronavirus could push an additional 130 million people to the brink of starvation by the end of 2020. World Vision, an international Christian aid organization, warns that 30 million children are at risk of dying."
I don't think that's right. I think there's a quite sizeable middle ground that we've seen in a lot of the country already. But yes, big flareups are going to be possible where there are lots of people too close to one another indoors without PPE, whether it's in Sioux City or Long Island City.
You don't have to get into the trial specifics, it's something you can "report" on certainly, and they do, but it's hard to find, and lost in the numerous articles that cover the protests and interpretations of the #'s. Between Trump and the politicization of this subject, it's hard to just get focused info on anything that makes sense or is a complete story. You'd think, right now, the "race for a treatment" would be the #1 story in the world, and the largest global scientific effort in the last 50 years (and maybe it is, but who knows???), the way this has shut-down almost every country on earth. I don't get it, or why that's not the focus right now.
Our country did nearly 400,000 C19 tests today and only 4% were positive. That's great news.
https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily
We've done over 9 million tests. Only 3 other countries have done over 2 million.
C19 has been in Ohio since January
https://www.wlwt.com/amp/article/ant...s-say/32438290
You still in charge of the SERP drone program?
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Larkin Fan (05-11-2020)
Just love how through all of this all of the media only pretends to social distance and wear masks (usually never) when the cameras are on them. As soon as a press conference is over they immediately mingle like bees in a hive acting as socially irresponsible as anyone on the planet. Yet, they have the gall to call out other people for not behaving responsibly. The media are such hippocrytes. Whenever they ask questions of Trump, they never ask any questions that would help the citizens of the U.S. get through this. Their only motive is to try to trick Trump into saying something out of context so they can get a line they can twist into something he actually didn't say. They are no longer any better than the National Enquirer reporters used to be....all of them from every newspaper. He never gets a fair chajce to do anything as the media is 90% Left leaning. It's really too bad that all of the media is now in the hands of just a few mega owners who dictate policy and attitude. Thankfully, we still have the internet where independent views can still be heard.
I'm not supporting Trump here, but I believe he could do a much better job if the media wasn't 90% against him in a very biased way of reporting while the Democrats have been on a witch-hunt ever since they lost the election completely refusing to work with him in any capacity.
Last edited by Kingspoint; 05-12-2020 at 04:45 AM.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
I'm disappointed that only two States have done fewer tests per 100,000 people than Oregon. You see Major League Baseball getting 5,700 tests completed for their employees, all of the NBA players were tested and Oregon can't even test their healthcare workers that are in direct contact with the sick and the elderly. Priorities are really wrong here.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
“The caregiver industry is barely hanging on as it is, and with even only one person off, then it just won’t be possible to care for everybody,” said Jun Sasaki, a doctor and the head of Yushokai Medical Corporation, a care provider company. “The elderly are very delicate, and any kind of change in their environment can affect them.” Many homes have suspended group games and exercises because of the outbreak, and most have banned family since early March. That can take both a mental and physical toll on residents. One man wandered his care home, searching for his family, Sasaki said. Another woman became convinced her daughter had died and began preparing for her funeral, Yoshimu recalled."
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUKKBN22O0T8
“Everything’s slower. If feeding them takes longer, then things like toileting are delayed,” said Yoshimu, who declined to give her last name because of the sensitivity of the issue. “We really try not to make them wait but sometimes their diapers can leak.” With the coronavirus depleting numbers of overworked staff in elderly care homes, concern for some of the most vulnerable is deepening in a country with one of the world’s largest elderly populations."
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
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