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    Tracking the corona-virus reproduction rate ( It rose to 1.13 on Sunday in Germany and fell to 1.07 on Monday....Germany stated before they began to reopen that if they hit 1.2 again that things would have to close up again)...




    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...-idUKKBN22N2ZU

    "A lack of capacity for widespread testing would also make it difficult to accurately assess the transmission rate."
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    How the Dutch decide who gets a chance to live and who doesn't of those who have COVID-19:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/euro...111731507.html


    "Doctors were asked to use the fragility scale looking at the overall condition of patients and their ability to take care of themselves. They held conversations with elderly patients discussing the options in case they got infected.

    Helmut said he was also asked the painful question. "I called my doctor for something else but suddenly she asked me if I still wanted to go to the ICU in case I got corona. The way she did this so abruptly and expecting an answer right away felt quite harsh to me," he said. The fit-looking nonagenarian told his doctor he was not planning to die soon and if needed, he would choose to go to the ICU. Marike de Meij, a palliative care doctor in Amsterdam, says these are very difficult conversations.

    "You don't want to give people a feeling that we don't value their lives. You have to explain that it will be a shared decision," she said. It is not clear yet how many elderly patients have died at home; as in many other countries, these deaths have not been added to the official death toll mainly because many COVID-19 patients in the Netherlands have died without being tested."

    "De Meij estimates that the real death toll - which currently stands at about 5,500 people - could be twice as high."
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    LONDON (Reuters) - At least 20,000 people have died in care homes in England and Wales as a consequence of the coronavirus pandemic, according to Reuters calculations based on official data. In the eight weeks to 1 May, 37,627 people died in care homes of all causes in England and Wales, according to data from the Office of National Statistics (ONS).

    Based on a comparison of the average of weekly deaths in care homes in the same period over 5 years, Reuters calculated that excess deaths have totalled over 19,900 in England and Wales. These figures update a Reuters calculation one week ago, published in a Special Report published that estimated the excess deaths to be at least 12,700. The new total excludes hundreds of further deaths in Scotland and deaths that occurred since May 1. Other care home residents were transferred to hospital and died there. These are also not included in this figure.
    Comparisons of excess deaths over average mortality is considered by statisticians the most accurate way to judge the consequence of the pandemic, including deaths directly caused by the pandemic or other deaths indirectly caused, for example by reduction in provision for other health problems."

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...-idUKKBN22O2MR
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    In honor of International Nurses Day...

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    It has become clear that a hard lockdown does not protect old and frail people living in care homes—a population the lockdown was designed to protect.3 Neither does it decrease mortality from COVID-19, which is evident when comparing the UK's experience with that of other European countries...There is very little we can do to prevent this spread: a lockdown might delay severe cases for a while, but once restrictions are eased, cases will reappear. I expect that when we count the number of deaths from COVID-19 in each country in 1 year from now, the figures will be similar, regardless of measures taken.
    Measures to flatten the curve might have an effect, but a lockdown only pushes the severe cases into the future —it will not prevent them. Admittedly, countries have managed to slow down spread so as not to overburden health-care systems, and, yes, effective drugs that save lives might soon be developed, but this pandemic is swift, and those drugs have to be developed, tested, and marketed quickly.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...035-7/fulltext

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    It has become clear that a hard lockdown does not protect old and frail people living in care homes—a population the lockdown was designed to protect. Neither does it decrease mortality from COVID-19, which is evident when comparing the UK's experience with that of other European countries...There is very little we can do to prevent this spread:
    Pretty stupid statements, without social distancing "lockdowns" there'd be tens of thousands more deceased coming out of nursing homes right now.

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    Re: COVID-19, Part 4 - what happens next?

    Also missing the point that nursing homes cannot actually lockdown in any meaningful way. Staff come and go even if there are no visitors.

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    This is a very handy reference.

    More than 70 vaccine candidates are also in development around the world, with at least five in preliminary testing in people. Here are some of the drugs, vaccines and other therapies in development:

    https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-...rz/index.htmlm

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnglishRed View Post
    Also missing the point that nursing homes cannot actually lockdown in any meaningful way. Staff come and go even if there are no visitors.
    No, that is the point. Lockdowns don't protect the most vulnerable due to the reasons you mentioned

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    Meet Winter, the 4-year-old llama whose blood might hold a treatment for COVID-19

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...d-19-1.5564528

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    No, that is the point. Lockdowns don't protect the most vulnerable due to the reasons you mentioned
    Not true at all. Lockdowns prevent the spread of the disease. If you can't agree on that, then you don't belong in this conversation.

    Testing of patients and staff with symptom checks of anyone before they enter work every day would have, and will in the future, severely limit the residents from catching COVID-19. Lockdowns prevent more of those who entered these facilities from becoming infected. The rates of infection in these places would have been higher without a lockdown. If you can't agree on this, then you don't belong in this conversation. It's not debatable or open to opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    In honor of International Nurses Day...

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    ...on this 200th Anniversary of the birth of Florence Nightingale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnglishRed View Post
    Also missing the point that nursing homes cannot actually lockdown in any meaningful way. Staff come and go even if there are no visitors.
    There will be scanners for virus symptoms upon entrance at sporting events in the futute. Similar measures can take place at care facilities.
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    Re: COVID-19, Part 4 - what happens next?

    Nursing homes locking down staff within the facility.

    https://www.dispatch.com/news/202004...residents-safe

    Coronavirus: 44 staff agree to live in locked-down Licking County nursing homes to keep residents safe

    At noon on March 12, two Licking County assisted-living facilities closed their doors to the outside world for the sake of the 225 vulnerable residents within.

    They had been preparing for that day for three weeks, enlisting staff members who would be willing to commit to 24/7 service for as long as the COVID-19 period of isolation would last. No one knew how long that would be.

    Twyman determined that each facility would need 22 staff members present in order to run the building and allow for breaks to eat, sleep and catch up with loved ones.

    In addition to the 22, additional staff “on the outside” would have to agree to self-isolate for three weeks and be available to come in for relief.
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    Re: COVID-19, Part 4 - what happens next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Not true at all. Lockdowns prevent the spread of the disease. If you can't agree on that, then you don't belong in this conversation.

    Testing of patients and staff with symptom checks of anyone before they enter work every day would have, and will in the future, severely limit the residents from catching COVID-19. Lockdowns prevent more of those who entered these facilities from becoming infected. The rates of infection in these places would have been higher without a lockdown. If you can't agree on this, then you don't belong in this conversation. It's not debatable or open to opinion.
    But, we didn't lock down the nursing home facilities. They got more traffic than my house did. Half of the deaths have come from nursing homes, and in some counties, the only deaths were in nursing homes. Such an epic failure.


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