757690 (07-05-2020)
Just anecdotally, I feel like if it were airborne, there would be significantly more spread at grocery stores and places like that. It seems like if it were the case, most grocery workers would be infected at this point.
Also household attack rate is something like 20-30% last I heard, that also wouldn’t make a ton of sense if that were the primary method of transmission.
According to this: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/...ing-the-point/
The .1 % for flu is IFR.
But flu comparisons aside, does that really change the fact that Covid is 99.8% survivable?
And in nearly every nation, the average mortality age for Covid is close to the average mortality age period.
This is a pretty interesting article: https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23...age-race-14863
It is not 99.8% survivable. No study says that.
But even the studies are guesstimates because we have done so little testing. We won’t know the true mortality rate for quite awhile, maybe years.
But regardless, “survivable” is a terrible standard to use. Breast cancer has a 99% survivor rate. Should we do nothing to help those who have it? I have friends who has Covid. They said it was the worst two weeks of their lives. And we know little about the long term effects.
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Did you... actually read the article you just posted? The one where they outline the criticism of Ioannidis, and interview two experts that refute his claims?
Regarding the flu IFR, he is obfuscating and yes, citing the CFR when he claims 0.1%. We don't really measure the IFR of flu. But here are some estimates by epidemiologists:
A commonly cited statistic about seasonal flu is that it has a fatality rate of 0.1 percent, That, however, is a case fatality rate. The infection fatality rate for flu is perhaps only half that, Viboud said. Shaman estimated that it’s about one-quarter the case fatality rate.
Of course I did. But Ionnidis was closer to right on his predictions, so I weigh him more heavily.
What would you do?
150K died from the Hong Kong flu of 1968. We had half the population and we were much, much younger. Woodstock was that year.
BUT, we weren't all germ-obsessed ninnies constantly online.
For those trying to argue that Texas experiencing a problem:
https://twitter.com/keithboykin/stat...146485760?s=21
Texas Doctor: I got 10 calls yesterday for young people who will die if they don’t get ICU support, but I only have three beds left.
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You could be right. But if you go into the actual data, and look at how many ICU beds are occupied by Covid patients, what you see is a story about hospitals busy doing other things and it isn't Covid overwhelming the ICU beds. Some is emergency work I am sure. The Lt. Governor has said many of the beds are pent up demand for other procedures not done because of the lock down and then some are elective. According to officials, to free up more ICU beds if needed, they will just have to delay some elective procedures.
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-upda...and-occupancy/
As of yesterday it looks like this
And that is right in the heart of Houston, supposedly the hardest hit.
Some how the numbers don't say the same thing as the hype.
Last edited by jup; 07-06-2020 at 01:43 PM.
He is one of the last people I would trust giving information on Covid19.
There is a lot of information being thrown out there now. But one thing that is striking is the shear number of new Covid cases, its alarming to say the least.
One of the unfortunate things happening lately is most experts have been pushed away and the decisions have been placed in the politicians hands.
Revering4Blue (07-07-2020)
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