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Kingspoint (06-02-2020)
WHO represents the whole world. They can't really make a recommendation that most of the word siimply can't comply with. Some guy in Sierra Leone or Paraguay or 75% of the other countries in the world simply can't comply with. The CDC represents the US and says differently.
As far as studies go. take any position on anything and you can find a study that supports it. Perfroming "expert" studies is a big business tat usually starts with the outcome your looking for before it ever starts.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Kingspoint (06-02-2020),marcshoe (05-31-2020),North (05-31-2020),schmidty622 (06-01-2020)
What would you say.....ya do here?
"Even for you"...Typical personal attack on your part. The WHO is saying much more than "we don't know yet." That's spin "even for you".
Here you go:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...w-to-use-masksIf you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/health...ents-who-says/“If you do not have any [respiratory] symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask,” Dr. April Baller, a public health specialist for the WHO
These are direct quotes from the WHO. Nowhere does it say "we don't know yet". That is not a quote from the WHO. That is a quote from a Steeler fan in South Dakota.There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can prevent them from infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.
You are free to opine that you disagree with the WHO, but don't make up quotes.
I know you like facts and scientific studies. I've posted some but here's some more:
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is...t-so-confusingWe have reviewed the results of more than a dozen randomised trials of face masks and transmission of respiratory illnesses. We found the current best evidence suggests wearing a mask to avoid viral respiratory infections such as COVID-19 offers minimal protection, if any.
A dozen studies. Got that? A dozen. It's not just the WHO. I would opine that the wearing of masks by the general public is not supported by science.
As I said, you're free to disagree and I would encourage further study but as of right now there's a lot of evidence that the wearing of masks offers minimal protection, if any.
Nope. I'm going to ignore your attempt to make the discussion about "you" and will continue to fact check you. Here are the actual words from the WHO Interim Guidance publication regarding community wearing of non-medical masks (which is what we're discussing):
By continuing to not acknowledge the obvious presence of the "...or against their use...", you are, with intent, misrepresenting what the WHO is stating regarding the use of non-medical masks. The WHO is, literally, saying that they do not know whether OR NOT to recommend the use of non-medical mask wearing among community members, but will continue to study it. They...do...not...know.There is no current evidence to make a recommendation for or against their use in this setting.
The spins are all yours. It's why, regardless of your ability to be persuaded with citations of legitimate reasons to wear masks, you need to be fact checked constantly for the benefit of others.
No need to respond to the rest of your post. It's already either received a response well before now or is just another attempt at distraction.
By the way, were you planning on revealing that none of the "dozen studies" you refer to in your final stretch involved COVID-19? Or is that another example of the need for you to be fact checked?
But hey, at least you got my favorite football team and state of residence correct in your post...for all the good that'll do ya'...
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
BuckeyeRed27 (05-31-2020),Kingspoint (06-02-2020)
OK. I'll revise my recommendation. Wear a mask and don't be stupid and touch your face.
The mask is not to protect you. If you are wearing it in detroit because its an area with a lot of infections and you think it might protect you, then you are right it doesn't do you any good.
The reason is to filter some of the droplets you expel through breathing and talking. If it stops any. it reduces the chances of infecting some one else. When you wear your mask. do you feel humidity or dampness, if so then droplet are being contained. I'm pretty certain it doesn't contain all of the. IN a pandemic with a disease that frequently shows no symptoms, its only courteous to wear your mask when you are around other people in public and you can't stay 6 or more feet away. If you are walking around your neighborhood and can easily avoid coming within 6 feet of anyone, you don't need one. If you are in a public place and can't control how close people are to you, you should wear your mask for the sake of everyone else. It's not to protect you. It's to reduce teh spread fo the virus. Not trying is offensive IMO.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Kingspoint (06-02-2020)
It's not clear. There are as many or more studies that say it is beneficial. Not to you in a selfish way, but to society in a try to reduce the spread way. IMO. if you just sift through all these conflicting recommendations and just pick the one you agree with is being selfish and obtuse. There are a lot of people like that. I'm that way in some cases, but this is potentially life or death so if there is an chance at all of it helping, you should wear one.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Kingspoint (06-02-2020)
Virus Outbreak: FDA grants conditional nod to remdesivir drug
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/fro.../31/2003737342
You must have missed this:
Steel, your problem is that you paraphrase the WHO whereas I use their exact wording. That's where you get into trouble. This is not what they said:We found the current best evidence suggests wearing a mask to avoid viral respiratory infections such as COVID-19 offers minimal protection, if any.
They literally said this:The WHO is, literally, saying that they do not know whether OR NOT to recommend...
They didn't say that they're undecided. They definitely said "you do not need to wear a mask." There's no ambivalence there that you're trying to insert.If you do not have any [respiratory] symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask
Italian doctors claim coronavirus is weakening in Italy. Hope they're right, and that it is doing the same (or will shortly) here.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2370OQ
Its my understanding that Italy was about 10 days earlier than the US.
I am not saying this is all related, but I remember Fauci saying something about SARS that they had a vaccine all ready to go, but the virus just disappeared. Now granted this is different because Sars was far better contained and didn't spread nearly as far and fast as Covid, but its the same family of viruses. The fascinating thing is we are dealing with everything in real time with something we have no clue how its going to react.
I wonder what would have happened if the virus stated in Europe or the US where there is a free press willing to report on things. There are suggestions that some states are fudging the numbers to make their decisions look positive, but if we had real data from Wuhan and real data about how the reopening is going, we may have a better picture of everything.
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