Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds
How will we know to be fearful of other people?
If they have set the seating up as the guidelines say, it should not be necessary to wear a mask while at your table, but you should wear one when not seated at the table. Offices should be the same way. The workstation should be far enough away from each other that a mask isn't necessary at your desk, but when away from the desk, wear the mask.
I'm not sure it's always possible to set things up with distancing in every workplace, (especially in something like a Manufacturing plant), but I don't think even the biggest pro mask person thinks some one should wear them for long stretches like that. Inside where you can't control spacing and outside in congested areas like a NY crosswalk or something.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
In both of the manufacturing plants I’ve worked at during the last three weeks, you have to wear a mask the entire time while you are on company property. The only exceptions are if you are eating in the cafeteria, or if you have an office with a door. It doesn’t matter if you’re 50 feet away from the next coworker. In fact, if you are within talking distance of another employee, you also have to wear a face shield or safety glasses with side shields. It isn’t too bad on the people in cubicles, but if you are working in a 100° factory, after a few hours it’s pretty brutal. I mentioned in another post that my blood pressure went up noticeably after a day of that, and I’m a very healthy guy. I really feel for the guys that are a little heavy, because they’re really huffing and puffing.
Do you know the process that a study or paper has to go through in order to be considered direct scientific evidence? From the study, to the research, to the peer review, that takes time.
The WHO saying that we don't have direct scientific evidence is truthful because there hasn't been time to validate a scientific study into C19 and masks.
The virus has been around for six to eight months, and we are expecting people to know everything about the virus.
More good news:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronav...ws-11591399491Good news: A new study finds that the novel coronavirus has become less lethal over the past few months. While there’s no evidence that mutations are making the virus less deadly, treatments have improved enormously as scientists have learned more.
Doctors have observed that the coronavirus case-fatality rate seems to have decreased considerably since the early days of the pandemic. But a pre-publication study from Italian universities and local public-health authorities comparing the case-fatality rates in two provinces (Ferrara and Pescara) during March and April is the first to show this might be true.
After adjusting for age and comorbidities, the study found the overall death rate declined by some 40% from March to April with huge reductions in those over age 80 (from 36.3% to 16.1%), and subjects with hypertension (23% to 12.1%), diabetes (30.3% to 8.4%), cardiovascular disease (31.5% to 12.1%), COPD (29.7% to 11.4%) and renal disease (32.3% to 11.5%).
The study’s findings need to be confirmed by more studies of fatality rates over time in other places. But the researchers note that the decline in death rates is unlikely to be due to less crowded hospitals since infection rates were low in the two provinces and never exceeded the intensive care unit capacity. Hospital utilization could confound results in other hot spots.
They say their study confirms anecdotes from expert physicians that “the early administration of more tailored medications, is considerably improving the clinical course of COVID-19.” Doctors are using a cocktail of targeted therapies including repurposed HIV antivirals, anticoagulants and monoclonal antibodies like tocilizumab that lower inflammatory cytokine attacks on organs.
I will include this caveat that Sunday reporting on C19 tends to be low due to the weekend and all but it's still good news that reported deaths yesterday were the lowest since March 26 at 453. Only 4.4% of tests came back positive
https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily
OK. You seem like a good one to ask this question 'cause nobody's touched it yet. You are correct that we can't expect peer reviewed double blind studies to come out in a few months. But we do have a great deal of research on how masks perform on other viruses such as flu and viruses similar to C19. So here's my question:
Why would C19 be any more susceptible to the protection of masks than those other viruses? Why would masks block C19 but not flu? I'd expect if anything, that masks would be less effective against C19 given that it appears that C19 is more contagious. So once again, tell me why C19 would be blocked by a mask when other viruses aren't? I earlier posted an article that listed a dozen studies stating that masks are not very effective in preventing virus transmission. Why wouldn't those studies apply to C19 too?
I'll add this...if studies do show that masks are more effective vs C19 than flu, I won't believe the results unless it's accompanied by an explanation of why
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is...t-so-confusingTo resolve this question, we analysed 14 randomised trials of mask wearing and infection for influenza-like illnesses. (There are no randomised trials involving COVID-19 itself, so the best we can do is look at similar diseases.)
When we combined the results of these trials that studied the effect of masks versus no masks in health-care workers and the general population, they did not show that wearing masks leads to any substantial reduction of influenza-like illness. However, the studies were too small to rule out a minor effect for masks.
14 studies. No substantial reduction of influenza type illnesses. Why would C19 behave differently?
Last edited by Sea Ray; 06-08-2020 at 10:07 AM.
WHO says to wear masks in public.
The World Health Organization (WHO) updated its guidance on Friday to recommend that governments ask everyone to wear fabric face masks in public areas where there is a risk of transmission of COVID-19 to help reduce the spread of the pandemic disease.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21L2BW
There are studies that show wearing a mask does help with flu spread. One is above, but there are others.
It seems to be a similar theme where wearing a mask does more to help you from spreading it to others than it does help you from getting it, but if more people wear them the lower the odds are.
The biggest hangup with scientists recommending it, is that things like just staying away from people and washing your hands are still more effective than wearing a mask, so they don't want people wearing masks and not doing the more effective measures. But it doesn't mean that masks don't help.
COVID has the added issue of a large amount of people without symptoms that are probably spreading it, which isn't common with the flu.
Heroic Michigan Barber Wins Appeal to Michigan Supreme Court Against Governor Whitmer’s Shutdown Edicts
Wow. 7-0 decision. It wasn't even close. This is a huge setback for this horrible Governor.The Department of Health and Human Services V Manke decision was ruled in favor of Manke by a 7-0 margin on Friday, although the case is still not settled.
“It is incumbent on the courts to ensure decisions are made according to the rule of law, not hysteria. Here, in addition to entering an order whose validity is highly suspect, the Court of Appeals majority took the extraordinary step of directing the trial court to take immediate action despite the fact that an application for leave had already been filed in our Court,” the ruling stated.
Well what do ya know, she's now going to open barber shops. What a coincidence...
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/heroic...utdown-edicts/On the same day the ruling was announced, Gov. Whitmer said she was lifting the ban on salons and barber shops in her state. Manke has shown how one principled courageous man can defeat the gynocracy.
More evidence that the shutdown was not lawful
Gross.one principled courageous man can defeat the gynocracy
dabvu2498 (06-08-2020),Larkin Fan (06-08-2020),Wonderful Monds (06-08-2020),WrongVerb (06-08-2020)
Not as gross as taking away the guy's livelihood
Please keep politics-specific discussion to the Politics/Religion sub-forum.
Boss-Hog (06-08-2020)
I’m not sure how this isn’t breaking some kind of rule on sexism here, but whatever.
Honestly the term isn't in my vocabulary but it refers to a one woman ruling dictatorship and that's what the Mich shutdowns amounted to. It came solely from one person who is female. She dictated it.
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