COVID-19, Part 5 - the beat goes on.

[Sea Ray]

That's nice for you.

But you can also pass the disease without knowing it. And if your actions are cavalier in that respect, you could easily wind up costing someone else their life. But, knowing what ideas you hold dear, I'm sure you'd find a way to blame that on them.

Here's the problem I have with that Dan. It wasn't you but someone else here on RZ was a "Karen" and gave me the guilt trip for merely going out to eat:

That was really dumb of you to do, Sea Ray.

All I did was go out to eat?

Which is also really dumb. And dangerous.

I guess I'm in the "I'll-show'-'em-no-matter-who-dies camp."

fwiw, my cousin in Savannah, who's a big Trump supporter, is uber-sheltering with her kids. Not everyone falls into the I'll-show'-'em-no-matter-who-dies camp.

This is all pretty simple: Too many people aren't actually willing to sacrifice any ounce of comfort or convenience to save the lives of people they don't know.

I still think what you did is dumb. And lots of others in the medical field agree with me.

If one of you had Covid19, and you could without knowing it since it incubates with no symptoms for around a week, you likely touched a high number of items, such as silverware, napkins, plates, glasses, tables, door knobs, etc.. Those items are now infected for hours or longer, and the next person who touches it will get Covid19.

You easily could have been a spreader, and big one at that.

It's all half measures. If you trust Joe Corona making your Happy meal, more power to you. No deal for me. I see better than I hear.

Many people had to handle everything that was washed before it was washed. Plus, if you coughed, you spread droplets widely. This is one of the most contagious viruses we have ever seen. There is no way you can be sure you didn’t spread it, if you had it.

https://www.redszone.com/forums/show...light=savannah

That's a closed thread but you're free to look it up if you like. I caught all this flak just because I went out to eat. Even though this was 3 mos ago, the stuff thrown at me then will still apply today. It can be spread etc, etc. But should we fry people for the act of going out to eat? Some of you are taking this way too far and those of you who posted this should be ashamed.

In closing I want to be clear: none of the quotes above came from Dan

[Boston Red]

https://rt.live/

Nate Silver tweeted out this site a couple days ago and it's pretty interesting. It's basically a state by state breakdown of how the virus is spreading (or projected to spread). It kind of smooths out the noise of raw test numbers and positive case numbers to the R 0 value.

I have no idea how Kansas ended up where we have (everything is open, no masks, pools, youth sports with no precautions, etc.), but I'm thrilled.

[WrongVerb]

For anyone who doesn't know, R0 ("R-naught") is the expected number of people an infected person will transmit the virus to. So a R0 value greater than 1 means the virus is spreading in a given population, while an R0 value less than 1 means the virus is dying out of the given population.

[mth123]

And playing politics makes the reopening fail how ???

Confusing the public on how to behave. "Avoid social gatherings" (unless you are protesting, then its OK); "Wear a mask" (but you won't see me in one); etc. The world is acting like there is no pandemic and the people are getting their cue from those in charge. There is still no treatment or vaccine. Many unproven or untried ideas, but the only way to deal with this is through behavior modification and no one even knows how to be cautious and I think our leadership is the reason. I'm very pessimistic about the next 6 months and the way people are behaving is exactly the reason.

[mth123]

My point is that information is evolving on this. Here's a chart from a site I posted yesterday:

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It now shows that C-19 is about as deadly as any other virus and many diseases were more deadly. I think our gov't and our press should update our information and we should learn from our mistakes so this doesn't happen again. Admittedly it's not fair but in hindsight the hysteria on this virus was overblown

Of course information is evolving. All the data is suspect fro a bunch of reasons whether the population its coming from is skewed based on who can get tested or how applicable data accumulated under shutdown may apply to what may happen when the world opens. It will continue to normalize as conditions are less skewed and more reflective of real life. I don't think the data tells us much of anything.

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[WrongVerb]

Five states hit new highs for covid-19 hospitalizations, and nine report record seven-day averages

Across the United States, 26,096 new covid-19 cases had been reported as of 3 p.m. ET Wednesday, a worrying trend since there were 23,865 cases reported the entire day last Wednesday.

Nine states (California, with an average of 4,744, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Nevada, Mississippi and Missouri, with 320) reported new seven-day rolling average highs, and five (Arizona, with 2270, Tennessee, Mississippi, South Carolina and Montana, with 17) have hit new highs for hospitalizations. Four states (California, Florida, South Carolina and Oklahoma) reported new single-day case highs.

An increase in cases can be attributed to an increase in testing (though positive test percentages may be going up). But hospitalizations tell the real number, since those aren't dependent on testing. This is bad and going to get worse, and our country is doing ****-all about it.

[Boston Red]

Caesar's is requiring masks to be worn by everyone inside all of its properties nationwide starting today. The NV governor is scheduled to speak on Covid at 5pm Pacific, and the scuttlebutt is that masks will be required by patrons in all Nevada casinos. Seems a sensible policy given the Nevada numbers.

[jup]

Confusing the public on how to behave. "Avoid social gatherings" (unless you are protesting, then its OK); "Wear a mask" (but you won't see me in one); etc. The world is acting like there is no pandemic and the people are getting their cue from those in charge. There is still no treatment or vaccine. Many unproven or untried ideas, but the only way to deal with this is through behavior modification and no one even knows how to be cautious and I think our leadership is the reason. I'm very pessimistic about the next 6 months and the way people are behaving is exactly the reason.

I can see your point of view. May not agree, but it is an understandable interpretation, consistent with the facts on the ground

[Sea Ray]

Five states hit new highs for covid-19 hospitalizations, and nine report record seven-day averages



An increase in cases can be attributed to an increase in testing (though positive test percentages may be going up). But hospitalizations tell the real number, since those aren't dependent on testing. This is bad and going to get worse, and our country is doing ****-all about it.

The sky's not falling. We'll handle it and it won't take another shut down

[jup]

Five states hit new highs for covid-19 hospitalizations, and nine report record seven-day averages



An increase in cases can be attributed to an increase in testing (though positive test percentages may be going up). But hospitalizations tell the real number, since those aren't dependent on testing. This is bad and going to get worse, and our country is doing ****-all about it.

You are right about the hospitalizations being the number to watch. But be careful the interpretations you are making about them.

As the evidence mounts that confined indoor environments are "the worst" for the spread of this stuff, forcing people back into confined spaces (like homes) may not be the best solution. Remember what happened in the nursing homes where Covid positives were sent indoors to confined spaces within nursing homes.

Opening up society is a must, we aren't going back into quarantine anytime soon. And people out and about may not be the problem. People headed indoors may be the real spreader.

[WrongVerb]

You are right about the hospitalizations being the number to watch. But be careful the interpretations you are making about them.

As the evidence mounts that confined indoor environments are "the worst" for the spread of this stuff, forcing people back into confined spaces (like homes) may not be the best solution. Remember what happened in the nursing homes where Covid positives were sent indoors to confined spaces within nursing homes.

Opening up society is a must, we aren't going back into quarantine anytime soon. And people out and about may not be the problem. People headed indoors may be the real spreader.

I know you've been on this kick, based on some anecdotal reports. (I refuse to call anecdotes "evidence.") I would love to see a formal study of this, and if the hypothesis proves out, then encouraging people to spend time outdoors and keep social distancing is the right thing to do. Hopefully someone is on this already.

[jup]

I know you've been on this kick, based on some anecdotal reports. (I refuse to call anecdotes "evidence.") I would love to see a formal study of this, and if the hypothesis proves out, then encouraging people to spend time outdoors and keep social distancing is the right thing to do. Hopefully someone is on this already.

All we have is anecdotal, except for the studies of how long the virus survives in an exterior (hostile) environment, which are definitive. But I would rather read the tea leaves as best as possible than not use what we are given. So elderly patients are dying, you take extra precaution, not ignore it. Outside events have not shown the "super spreader" characteristics that were being expected - remember it was all - "the sky is falling" around every one, but it hasn't.

Choose your path and call it a "kick I am on", I'll wear it even if it was meant as an insult. Because ignoring the information we do have is the really stupid thing to do.

[WrongVerb]

Multiple People in WWE Test Positive for COVID-19

Pro Wrestling Sheet has learned multiple people in WWE who have been at the Performance Center tested positive for COVID-19 this week, including in-ring talent.

While it’s unclear when they were tested exactly, or how many of them were for wrestlers, sources tell us at least three people who had been at the WWE Performance Center in Orlando received positive test results this week.

Our sources say more testing will now be done by WWE’s medical team before this week’s TV production to make sure the virus has not spread amongst talent/behind the scenes workers.

If some of the best athletes in the world are susceptible, then perhaps it's time to consider that you are as well.

[Sea Ray]

I know you've been on this kick, based on some anecdotal reports. (I refuse to call anecdotes "evidence.") I would love to see a formal study of this, and if the hypothesis proves out, then encouraging people to spend time outdoors and keep social distancing is the right thing to do. Hopefully someone is on this already.

Here you go. Out of 318 outbreaks studied, 317 were indoors. The one outdoor example only involved two cases so I wouldn't even classify that as an outbreak:

A new study of the more than 300 outbreak clusters of COVID-19 in China reveals that the majority of the outbreaks were fueled by indoor transmission of the disease, while outdoor transmission was scarce.

New: Study of 318 outbreaks in China found transmission occurred out-of-doors in only one, involving just 2 cases. Most occurred in home or public transport. Raises key chance for states to move services outdoors (religious, gym classes, restaurants, etc)

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...virus-in-china

[Sea Ray]

Multiple People in WWE Test Positive for COVID-19



If some of the best athletes in the world are susceptible, then perhaps it's time to consider that you are as well.

Everyone is susceptible to getting it but very few get sick. Have any of these WWE folks had symptoms? It's not a bad thing to get infected if you don't develop symptoms. You build antibodies and herd immunity