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    Injury and opportunity.
    Most of the information Florida fans were receiving about him through his 2nd and 3rd years of HS was that he was considered a strong bet to end up at UF. That changed quickly and UF didn't even make his top 5.

    Not surprising as his name has been mentioned in the AAU/NCAA investigation.
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    Davis Bertans officially became the 1st NBA player to decline his bubble invite. Makes sense as DC is a longshot to even make it to a play-in game and he's got a free agent payday coming after the season concludes. Also makes me think he's not coming back to the Wizards.
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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Trevor Ariza's decision to stay with his son instead of going back to his day job as a Blazer's wing may impact Portland's ability to go unbeaten.

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    Definitely respect Ariza's decision....one of those many things that fans do not think about when they think it is just easy for a pro athlete to take a couple months out of their lives unexpectedly. Sounds like he only has that month of custody under the current arrangement. I am sure it would be a much tougher decision if he was on a team that was considered a legitimate contender.
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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Quote Originally Posted by adkindo View Post
    Definitely respect Ariza's decision....one of those many things that fans do not think about when they think it is just easy for a pro athlete to take a couple months out of their lives unexpectedly. Sounds like he only has that month of custody under the current arrangement. I am sure it would be a much tougher decision if he was on a team that was considered a legitimate contender.
    ...and you have to figure that this was prearranged many months ago.
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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    From Rotoworld...

    Nuggets center Nikola Jokic has tested positive for the coronavirus. Jokic tested positive in Serbia and his return to the U.S. has been delayed. He hasn't shown any symptoms since testing positive last week and is still expected to be cleared for travel to Denver within a week. Tests will have to come back negative before he'll be allowed to compete in Orlando. Jokic was reportedly hanging out with tennis star Novak Djokovic last week and now they've both tested positive.
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    Two Suns have tested positive for Coronavirus according to Duane Rankin of the Arizona Republic. ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski also reports that NBA teams are bracing for "significant numbers of positive tests" as players begin traveling to Orlando for the restart. Woj adds that one Western Conference playoff team had four positive tests over the last few weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    From Rotoworld...

    Nuggets center Nikola Jokic has tested positive for the coronavirus. Jokic tested positive in Serbia and his return to the U.S. has been delayed. He hasn't shown any symptoms since testing positive last week and is still expected to be cleared for travel to Denver within a week. Tests will have to come back negative before he'll be allowed to compete in Orlando. Jokic was reportedly hanging out with tennis star Novak Djokovic last week and now they've both tested positive.
    When I heard Jokic caught it, the joke I made to my wife was he must have caught it from Djokovic. Little did I know all Serbians really do know each other and hang out.
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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    ...and you have to figure that this was prearranged many months ago.
    and if I am reading it correctly, they are still in the family court process. If so, you do not want to be seen as problematic to a family court judge. I am not saying this will help him in his case.....but showing that he puts his child above everything else will not hurt him in family court.
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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Avery Bradley isn't going to play for the Lakers. That's a sneaky big deal given his role on that team and their relative lack of depth.

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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    Avery Bradley isn't going to play for the Lakers. That's a sneaky big deal given his role on that team and their relative lack of depth.
    There are rumors that they'll sign JR Smith into his open spot

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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    Avery Bradley isn't going to play for the Lakers. That's a sneaky big deal given his role on that team and their relative lack of depth.
    It could be....it really just depends. I can look at the numbers and make a case their defense will be impacted, but I can also make the case that giving his minutes to KCP and Caruso will be a net positive. AB was often listed as the starting PG, but as everyone knows he plays almost exclusively off ball on offense with Lebron on the court. Personally, I see no benefit in adding JR Smith to this roster....ideally they could use a ball handler that could run the offense for 5-10 minutes a game and defend a legit PG, but I doubt that guy is out there. I think if I was the GM, I may add Gasol just for the sentimental aspect of chasing the title with Kobe's last running mate.
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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Alternate NBA Universe: Bullets

    Picture it…Washington, D.C…June of 1983: Despite compiling a winning record in ’82-’83, the Bullets finished in last place in the Atlantic division, failing to qualify for the playoffs for the fourth season in a row. The Championship season of ’79 seemed like a lifetime ago, and the franchise was in dire need of a talent boost in order to place itself in a position to realistically compete within its own division, let alone contend for another NBA title. That was going to be no easy task with Philadelphia and Boston as established powers and New Jersey on the rise. Still, with a new 8-team per conference playoff format in place, the Bullets, even if they managed to finish last in their division, with poor/rebuilding franchises in Cleveland, Chicago and Indianapolis, were a virtual lock to grab an NBA East playoff spot.
    The Bullets concluded the previous season with a team with a solid starting frontcourt; a so-so starting backcourt; and little quality depth and overall athleticism, sporting the following starting lineup: PG Frank Johnson; SG Ricky Sobers (signed away from Chicago mid-season as a free agent in exchange for 2nd round picks in this very ’83 draft – originally obtained by the Bullets from Houston in exchange for F Elvin Hayes , and the 1st pick in the second round – and ’85); SF Greg Ballard; F/C Rick Mahorn and C/F Jeff Ruland.

    Your Move(s), Washington: Bullets GM, Bob Ferry (Danny’s father) entered the 1983 NBA draft with With two picks apiece in both the 1st and second rounds – 10, 22 (from the Lakers as part of the compensation package for then-free agent F/C Mitch Kupchak), 32 (from Detroit as compensation for then-free agent PG Larry Wright) and 34 – at his disposal. It was widely assumed that the Bullets would go with a guard at 10 and either a center of power forward at 21. As the draft played out, several highly acclaimed guards were available at #10. But instead of selecting a relatively safe pick in Mississippi State SG Jeff Malone, who would be happily selected by Denver at #15, Ferry decided to swing for the fences and go solely for upside: Commissioner Larry O’Brien – The Washington Bullets select…Clyde Drexler from the University of Houston. The knock-on Drexler, a swingman, was his outside shot, but Ferry and Coach Gene Shue felt as though the franchise had nothing to lose at that point.
    As for pick #22, In a pre-arranged deal with Chicago – who had previously selected UNLV F Sidney Green and also acquired the rights to Alabama PG Ennis Whatley from Kansas City – the Bullets selected and sent the rights to Clemson high-scoring SG Mitchell Wiggins to the Bulls in exchange for pick #25 and the higher of the two (at the time) Bulls’ ’84 second rounders. As local hero G/F Randy Wittman from IU was selected by his hometown Pacers and Cleveland, with a bonus pick purchased from the NBA by the new Cavs owners to compensate for Ted Stepian (Previous Cavs owner) trading away several first rounders in a space of three years, ended the first round with the selection of LSU SG Howard Carter, Chicago then selected Old Dominion Center Mark West on behalf of the Bullets. But Ferry was not finished, as he acquired veteran F/C Tom McMillen from Atlanta in exchange for the rights to pick #32: Iowa SG Bobby Hansen. Ferry then selected local hero swingman Michael Britt from the University of District of Columbia at #34.

    So, how did it turn out?
    In inverse order of selection:
    • 3rd round selection SF Darren Daye from UCLA beat out veteran swingman Don Collins, who had performed solidly in two consecutive seasons, for the final roster spot.
    • Michael Britt never suited up in an NBA regular season game.
    • While Tom McMillen would provide solid minutes as reserve for three seasons before retiring to a career in politics, the Hawks would win this trade in a landslide as Bobby Hansen, within two seasons, grabbed the starting SG spot, holding it for several seasons.
    • While Mark West played well when called upon, it was clear that he would be hard pressed to receive minutes in the Nation’s Capital with Ruland, Mahorn and McMillen ahead of him in the rotation.
    • Drexler, beginning his inaugural season in a reserve role, far exceeded the expectations of most scouts – eventually.
    As expected, heading into the final 24 hours of the ’84 NBA trading deadline:
    • The Bullets’ Atlantic division brethren were all considerably stronger and the Bullets were a lock for last place
    • Nevertheless, the Bullets, despite being four games under .500, held a four-game lead on their nearest competitor for the final playoff spot in the East: Chicago.
    Within minutes of the actual trading deadline, Ferry engineered the following bold move with, oddly enough, Chicago: The Bullets traded starting PG Frank Johnson, reserve C Mark West, the Bulls ’84 second rounder (originally sent to Washington along with West in the ’83 draft day deal – G/F Corey Blackwell later selected) and Washington’s ’86 second rounder (G Jeff Hornacek later selected) to the Bulls in exchange for G Reggie Theus (who had been inexplicably benched in Chicago in favor of three rookies) and reserve PG Ronnie Lester (who had become redundant with Sobers and Theus, and was sold to the Lakers at season’s conclusion). The Bullets would fail to finish the season .500, finish last in their division, while keeping every playoff game against the top-seeded Celtics competitive in a gentlemen’s sweep.

    Butterfly Effect/Reality Check: While the Bulls would still be edged out by the Bullets for the final playoff spot, they (Bulls) would win too many games to qualify for a top-three position in the last pre-lottery NBA draft.
    Entering the ’84 draft with the sixth overall pick, and no second round picks, in what was deemed a stacked draft – alternate NBA universe and all, all top 7 picks and #16 pick (PG John Stockton to Utah) would enjoy either Hall-of-Fame and/or multiple All-Star selection careers – the following selections occurred:
    1. Houston Cougar C Hakeem Olajuwon to Houston.
    2. The ‘Blazers, having selected C Randy Breuer in ’83, went for the BPA: UNC G Michael Jordan. They would also grab PG Steve Colter and SF Jerome Kersey in the 2nd round.
    3. The Mavericks (via Cleveland) finally selected their franchise center: UK’s Sam Bowie.
    4. UNC F/C Sam Perkins to Chicago.
    5. Auburn F Charles Barkley to Philadelphia (via San Diego).
    Sandwiched by the Barkley pick and the Spurs’ #7 overall selection of Arkansas G Alvin Robertson, the Bullets went with UK C Mel Turpin, and subsequently dealt him to Cleveland for F Cliff Robinson (not to be confused with Uncle Cliffy) and the rights to #12 pick and Michigan C Tim McCormick.

    Butterfly Effect/Reality Check: With the Bullets opting to hold on to McCormick, the Supersonics choose to retain PG Gus Williams, Therefore, have no need to trade their ’86 #1 to Boston for PG Gerald Henderson, and proceed to grab a superstar (F Len Bias, alternate NBA Universe and all) with the 2nd overall (lottery) pick in ‘86. Most of all, with Bias, Dale Ellis, Nate McMillan (and later) Derrick McKey in tow, Jack Sikma backs off his demand to be traded in ’86 and retires as a Sonic.
    But this situation also benefits the Celtics as they instead send their ’87 #1 (PG Tyrone “Muggsy” Bogues later selected) along with F Cedric Maxwell to the Clippers for C/F Bill Walton in September of ’85, and draft F Dennis Rodman with their own ’86 #1 following their victorious NBA championship series. The Blazers ( who used the pick originally belonging to Boston to draft C Arvydas Sabonis) in ’86 – with a mid-first round pick, several second round picks and a subsequent trade of PG Steve Colter to Chicago – still wind up with the rights to C Kevin Duckworth, Sabonis and G Drazen Petrovic, however.
    An overlooked key pre-’85 season move for the Bullets: (October of ’84) Signed C/F Charles “Gadget” Jones as a free agent.
    Following another sub .500 season and first round series loss, this time to Philly, Ferry went right to work:
    • (Draft day ’85) – Traded Ballard to Golden State for the rights to C Manute Bol and an ’87 second round pick (G/F Kevin Gamble later selected by Philadelphia).
    • (Draft day ’85) – Traded Mahorn, first right of refusal to Daye and a conditional future second-round pick (not conveyed, as Daye was retained/signed to the acquiring team) to San Antonio for F Gene Banks and F/C Ozell Jones.
    • (Draft day ’85) – Selected Louisiana Tech PF Karl “The Mailman” Malone with 1st round pick.
    • (Draft day ’85) – Selected Tulane F/C John “Hot Rod” Williams with Milwaukee’s second round pick (acquired as compensation for losing G/F Kevin Grevey as free agent in September of ’83), though legal issues prevented him from suiting up until October of ’86.
    While aided by the unavailability of Moses Malone and Andrew Toney for the 76ers due to injuries, the Bullets win their first playoff series since ’79 before narrowly falling in seven games in a road loss to the Bucks. The Bucks would enter the ’86 draft week with a mid-first round pick and zero second round picks at their disposal, having dealt away their 2nd rounder to the Bulls in the Reggie Theus deal, but two major draft day-eve trades executed by Philly would shake things up:
    • The Bullets sent Ruland, McCormick, their mid-first round pick (SG Dell Curry later selected) and the highest of the Bullets’ ’87 2nd round picks (G/F Kevin Gamble later selected) to the 76ers for Moses Malone and Philadelphia’s late first round pick (#21).
    While McCormick, who had played well when Ruland had spent a considerable part of the previous two seasons sidelined with injuries, and Curry lived up to their end of the bargain, the 76ers would quickly regret this deal, as Ruland barely lasted one injury-plagued season in Philly before being forced to retire. To make matters worse for Philly, they blew the chance to draft UNC C Brad Daugherty with the first pick overall (via the Clippers) by dealing the pick to Cleveland for F/C Roy Hinson (whose game didn’t mesh with Charles Barkley’s at all) and a substantial amount of cash. Philly wouldn’t right the ship until acquiring C Mike Gminski in a multi-player deal with New Jersey (which included Hinson and McCormick) and 2G Hersey Hawkins (actually trading down in the draft to so so) in ’88. It should also be noted that the deal between Washington and Philadelphia was originally slated to include F Cliff Robinson heading to Philly, but that never came to fruition as the 76ers had no adequate wings to send the Bullets’ way and refused to part with the #1 overall pick in such a deal.
    Ferry selected UNLV G Anthony Jones with the 21st pick, and proceeded to pull of what amounted to one of the best trades in franchise history by sending Jones’ rights to Dallas for cash and the rights to the 25th pick in the draft: PG Mark Price from Georgia Tech. Also:
    • (August ’86) Traded ’88 2nd round pick (SG Tim Legler later selected) to New Jersey for G Darwin Cook.
    • (August ’86) Free agent G Ricky Sobers signed with an Italian League team.
    • As mentioned earlier, John “Hot Rod” Williams was set to begin his rookie season with the Bullets.
    With only one more year remaining on Moses Malone’s contract, Ferry again went to work following a first round ’87 series loss to Detroit that went the distance:
    • (Draft day ’87) – Acquired G Darrell Walker and F Mark Alarie from Denver in a three way trade, which also included Detroit; The Nuggets acquired the rights to (Detroit draftee) F/G Reggie Lewis (no life-threatening health issues in this alternate universe), F/G Johnny Newman (Detroit’s ’86 2nd round draftee) and the rights to F Brad Lohaus (Washington’s ’87 2nd round pick; The Pistons acquired the rights to F Ken Norman (Washington 1st round draftee).
    Simply put, all three teams would benefit greatly from this deal.
    • (October ’87) - Signed free agent SF Bernard King; Oddly enough, New York (who had drafted SF Scottie Pippen at #5 overall) waived their right of first refusal and received no compensation from Washington.
    • (October ’87) – Traded Gene Banks and Darwin Cook to Golden State for a ’90 2nd round pick (more on this below).
    The aforementioned moves – the draft day deal and signing Bernard King as a free agent - proceeded to push the Bullets over the top, as they ousted the Celtics in the East Finals, and captured the ’88 crown with a 6 game series victory over (coincidently enough) Seattle, who had knocked off the defending champion Lakers in the conference semifinals, as well as outlasting an enormously talented Denver team in the Conference finals, to reach the Finals.
    Post ’88 Championship, while still very much a playoff power, the Bullets entered a retooling mode, as they failed to advance past the conference semifinals for the next two seasons – Detroit in ’89 and Portland in ’90 would hoist the next two NBA Championship trophies:
    • (June ’88) - Lost Cliff Robinson in expansion draft to Charlotte.
    • (Draft day ’88) - Selected Florida G Vernon “Mad Max” Maxwell with 1st round pick.
    • (August of ’89 -) Lost Moses Malone as an unrestricted free agent to Atlanta.
    • (June ’89) - Lost Reggie Theus in expansion draft to Orlando.
    • (Draft day ’89) – Selected Serbian C Vlade Divac with 1st round pick.
    • (July ‘89) – Lost Manute Bol to Golden State as unrestricted free agent.
    • (Draft day ’90) – Selected SF Cedric Ceballos of Cal State Fullerton in 1st round, UNC F/C Scott Williams (with the 2nd round pick acquired in late ’87 from Golden State) and Iowa PF Matt Bullard (Bullets’ own ’90 2nd round pick) in 1990 NBA draft; Traded the rights to Ceballos to the Lakers in exchange for F Orlando Woolridge and cash - As usual, long-term, Jerry West would win this deal in a landslide, but no regrets for the Bullets here…
    • (July ’90) – In a surprising move, Head Coach Gene Shue retires from coaching, enthusiastically endorsing his replacement: Assistant Coach, and former Bullets’ great, Wes Unseld.
    • (February ’91 – Trade Deadline Day) – Traded Maxwell, Walker, Woolridge, a ’91 1st round pick (SG Bobby Phills later selected), and a ’93 1st round pick (C Ervin Johnson later selected) to Dallas for G Derek Harper and F Rodney McCray.
    • (February’91 – Trade Deadline Day) – Required G Reggie Theus from New Jersey for F Mark Alarie and a ’92 2nd round pick (F Sam Mack later selected).
    The Washington Bullets are - once again – NBA Champions after defeating the Lakers.
    • (June ’91 – Selected Coppin State F Larry Stewart with 2nd round pick, who managed to work his way onto the All-Rookie Second Team, while moving ahead of Rodney McCray in the rotation by Playoff time.
    • (June ’91) – Reggie Theus retires. Within 30 days, Bullets fill void by signing unrestricted free agent G John Battle.
    Bullets win (survive, actually) a classic 7 game NBA Finals series against the “Blazers. While Michael Jordan and the ‘Blazers would win another NBA title during the decade (once Arvydas Sabonis finally suited up for them), this Bullets’ core, talented as they were, were not as fortunate.
    • (June ’92) – Bernard King calls it a career after 16 seasons.
    The ’92-’93 Bullets would be eliminated by the eventual champion New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals, and subsequently eliminated in the first round the following two seasons. At that point, with several teams within the conference (if not their own Atlantic Division) having either surpassed the Bullets franchise or on the upswing, began to incrementally move core players. By the Summer of ’97, zero core players from the ’92 Championship team were still Bullets – now known as the Wizards. Compounding the issue for the franchise, the returns from the aggregate trades – when said players did not depart as free agents – netted a glaring lack of elite talent, while many of the jettisoned core players would later go on to enjoy deep playoff runs with their new teams. In fact, some – Malone in Utah, Price (as a reserve) in Orlando, Drexler in Portland, and “Hot Rod” Williams in Indiana – would be fortunate to win an additional ring as a member of a championship team.
    The franchise would bottom out by the strike-shortened ’99 season. Fortunately, the Bullets/Wizards franchise would then begin assembling another championship-caliber core around draftees Richard Hamilton, Jamal Crawford, Pau Gasol, Gilbert Arenas and Amare Stoudamire, which invoked memories of the time period in which a moribund franchise once began its road to multiple championships with a swing-for-the-fences first round pick in 1983.

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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Nah, the NBA would never cheat about anything. They never fix things towards a particular player's outcome. Never happens.


    POR's 8 games:

    The winning percentage among Portland’s eight opponents is 60.0%.
    The Blazers play three Top 3 seeds among the conferences (Celtics, Clippers, and Nuggets), but neither of the #1 teams (because they are both likely to rest their starters during the 8 games).
    They play no teams outside of the Top 8, thus no teams with a worse record than they.


    NOP's 8 games:

    Combined Winning Percentage: 49.5%, with four teams the same or worse than they on the schedule. Throw in their game in UTA, without which the percentage would be much worse, and minus Bogdanovic and a team with internal strife, and that's basically another bad team.
    [ed. How can you assemble a field of teams either making or close to making the playoffs but still give a team a schedule against opponents with a net losing record?]


    POR's 8 games:

    MEM
    BOS
    HOU
    DEN
    LAC
    PHI
    DAL
    BKN (BKN should rest their starters for this one with nothing to play for.)



    NOP's 8 games:

    UTA (the most troubled team in the league emotionally and no Bogdanovich)
    LAC
    MEM
    SAC
    WAS (will be eliminated by the time they meet)
    SAS (no Aldridge)
    SAC (will be eliminated by the time they meet)
    ORL (will have nothing to play for by this game and rest their starters)


    So, not only did POR have the league's toughest schedule before the break, but they get handed the toughest schedule of the teams trying to qualify for the 9th spot in the playoffs.
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    Re: NBA 2019-20: Hoopingest place on earth

    Pelicans definitely got an easier road, but I’m not sure how much it matters. Any of those teams currently on the outside can lose one, maybe two games, unless Memphis just falls apart.

    Who knows how any of this is going to go too. Fitness levels, chemistry, rust are all going to be major factors. Just because a team was good or bad in March doesn’t have a lot to do with the first few games.


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