I was always a big fan of Quiz's from the same era, and he ranks above Sutter and Fingers on both the metrics listed above. Why no love for him from the BBWA? # of saves the issue?
I was always a big fan of Quiz's from the same era, and he ranks above Sutter and Fingers on both the metrics listed above. Why no love for him from the BBWA? # of saves the issue?
Revering4Blue (07-15-2020)
Mazeroski got in because of the World Series walkoff homer vs the Yanks. He doesn't do that no HOF.
Doggie got in because he was part of the Big Red Machine. Those stats on any other team equals no HOF.
I think Lou Brock deserves it. Over 3,000 hits, and had the all time and single season stolen base records when he retired.
Kingspoint (07-14-2020),M2 (07-14-2020)
I don't have a problem with Fingers being in the Hall and totally get the rationale. I just think it needs to be acknowledged it's more for what you wrote and less for him being awesome at pitching. Probably the most impressive thing about his stats is he logged 100+ IP out of then pen for a solid decade.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
757690 (07-14-2020),Revering4Blue (07-15-2020)
One thing that gets overlooked is that it is the Hall of Fame. It’s not the Hall of Best Players. It is supposed to honor the history of MLB. Sometimes that means players who weren’t the best, but were important.
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Cherokee (07-14-2020),M2 (07-14-2020),Revering4Blue (07-15-2020),savafan (07-15-2020)
I sat behind Fingers on a plane once from Phoenix to Oakland when he was pitching in the Senior League (You remember that? Oh if you don't read this)
He was one tall and lanky guy, his hips were about a foot apart
Yeah, im prob being too hard on Brock - Raines got in eventually and he was a much better player, but you cant argue w the hits.
good points.
he did get caught stealing quite a bit, tho
I feel like Tonys HOF case would have been better (I mean, he's in) if he had retired 4 years sooner too
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
757690 (07-14-2020),Kingspoint (07-14-2020),RedlegJake (07-14-2020),RedsFanInMS (07-14-2020),Revering4Blue (07-15-2020)
It's more that that and I think someone touched on this in the thread. Go look at Fingers' game logs and you'll notice many 2, 3, 4 and 5 inning stints. How many on your list had that much asked of them. I'm guessing that it's much easier to rack up great stats only being asked to pitch no more than 2 innings and usually 1, than it is to not know what's going to be asked of you from game to game and still be considered the closer.
Being a closer in the game today is much easier mentally and physically than it was back in Fingers' day. In today's game you only need one mind set, get up to 3 outs when called upon.
Oh yeah those guys went longer for sure, but almost every reliever then was doing that, let's look at Rollie, 1974 - 1985 , 663 games, only 69 were 3 innings or more, so if we want to use the term "Many" I'd focus more on the 0-3 number not 3, 4 and 5 as far as innings pitched in a game. Being a closer in Rollie's day meant he saw more sub standard bats, more Frank Duffy's Dave McKay, Doyle, Aurilo Rodriguez, Veryzer's, Kuipers, Chalks and Belangers. If you have to churn the innings a couple of those guys help that a lot.
M2 (07-14-2020),Revering4Blue (07-15-2020)
He created havoc for the Cardinals, his contributions in their pennant winning years really were big, he played it out on some teams that didn't measure up and it looked like he was chasing numbers, perhaps he was. Vada Pinson had 305 steals, Brock was CAUGHT stealing 307 times
I always felt if Sutter was in, then Dan Quisenberry should be in as well.
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
Boston Red (07-14-2020),RedsFanInMS (07-14-2020),Revering4Blue (07-15-2020),savafan (07-15-2020)
I used to cash the checks of his family (same name) when I worked at BofA in the Bay Area. So, his name came up a lot in our brief conversations. This was at his peak in '84 and '85 (6th and 3rd in MVP voting and 2nd three years in a row in CY voting). I named my cat at the time, K.C. (not for Kitty Cat, but for Kansas City, as in the Royals).
2nd in CY voting four times is a pretty good resume.
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