COVID-19, part vi,...the first wave continues to surge

[jup]

Well, Texas has a lot of catching up to do with places like Massachusetts and Connecticut.

But 757690 doesn't pay any attention to those numbers because "they are out of date"

[757690]

So in one answer you say we have to deal with "cuurent data"




And then you turn around and use an admitted lagging indicator to dispute another. Give me a break.

You can't have your cake and eat it to.

Of course TX deaths will rise, as all lagging indicators do. But it is positivity tests at the front end that tells you were you are right now.

The data I presented is the current data, up to the day.

And yes, deaths are a lagging indicator, but even as a lagging indicator, right now in Texas, they are on the rise in a major way. Meaning that it will likely only get worse.

The data just isn’t on your side here.

[kaldaniels]

One question that is really not being answered is: Outside of known hotspots like nursing homes, prisons, meatpacking operations, what do the other hotspots have in common? And a related question: How can law enforcement better handle these unnecessary mass gatherings? Or can they?

Yep - I asked the sameish question a few days ago. 70k positives yesterday. Where are they coming from?

[dougdirt]

Yep - I asked the sameish question a few days ago. 70k positives yesterday. Where are they coming from?

People. They have lots of people.

[kaldaniels]

People. They have lots of people.

I mean I want to believe that...

[mth123]

I am absolutely not saying that. I probably wear a mask more than anybody else here, and I’ve always worn a medical mask. All I said is that if someone is high risk, they should avoid going out in public whenever possible and take advantage of the technology that allows them to get as much online as possible, or reach out to organizations that will help them. That’s it. I’m doing the opposite of writing them off.

Like it or not, the US leads the world by far in obesity and self-inflicted diabetes. Maybe that’s something that will finally be addressed after this is over, but it’s shameful.

I agree that the US society in General is why we're having such a hard time. I've been to a lot of places and the US is by far the most wealthy, resource filled society with access to whatever anyone wants pretty easily (and overweight). I think that's the problem. No one wants to be inconvenienced at all. Everyone wants to be entitled to what they want no matter the consequences for anyone else. We're a spoiled and ungrateful people and it's gotten way worse in the last 30 years or so IMO.

I personally have been staying home. Other than a handful of times where I've had to interact for certain necessities, I haven't come within 10 feet of anyone. I walk outside but avoid anyone coming by moving away. I go to the store but I give everybody else a really wide path and I just loiter in remote areas or keep moving around until the aisle I need to go to is clear. I haven't been to a movie, restaurant (not a good idea with my diet, but I can cheat once a weak or every ten days per my doctor), museum, casino or any other public place since early March. I've been lucky enough to work from home and still can. I wear a mask when I'm out indoors, but can't understand why everyone can't. I don't understand why people can't distance. I don't know why people want to invade my space even when there isn't a pandemic and I don't understand why going to the grocery store is an event for husband, wife and all three kids when only one needs to go and get what's needed. When I do need to go out, I shouldn't have to worry about people providing those common courtesies, but I do and when kids are back in school, the stakes will go up if those things aren't practiced.

[jup]

The data I presented is the current data, up to the day.

And yes, deaths are a lagging indicator, but even as a lagging indicator, right now in Texas, they are on the rise in a major way. Meaning that it will likely only get worse.

The data just isn’t on your side here.

Never said it wouldn't get worse on the death side, just sad the leading indicator (positivity) may show they have turned the corner.

And it isn't about sides. It is about peoples lives. And any indicator that the hot spot isn't getting worse is good news, not a score for one side or the other, even if you have a real hard time realizing that when you are busy throwing it others peoples face.

[dougdirt]

I mean I want to believe that...

It's certainly a part of it. More people is going to lead to more "crowding" everywhere those people go, which we know leads to more spread. I'm sure there's more to it - there always is - but having more people in an area is going to make it far easier to be a hot spot than a town of 817 people in the middle of nowhere Ohio, too.

[TOG]

Daily updates on the coronavirus death toll in England have been paused amid growing concern that the numbers could have been exaggerated.

[BernieCarbo]

Please stop with the fat shaming. It’s ugly and uncalled for.

https://obesitymedicine.org/obesity-and-genetics/

It doesn't explain why we are far more obese than other countries that share the same gene pool. I know that we have a plethora of crappy food available, but we can do better.

[TOG]

I am absolutely not saying that. I probably wear a mask more than anybody else here, and I’ve always worn a medical mask. All I said is that if someone is high risk, they should avoid going out in public whenever possible and take advantage of the technology that allows them to get as much online as possible, or reach out to organizations that will help them. That’s it. I’m doing the opposite of writing them off.

Like it or not, the US leads the world by far in obesity and self-inflicted diabetes. Maybe that’s something that will finally be addressed after this is over, but it’s shameful.

I'm a better mask wearer than you.

[757690]

It doesn't explain why we are far more obese than other countries that share the same gene pool. I know that we have a plethora of crappy food available, but we can do better.

We can all agree that this country has an obesity problem that needs to be addressed.

Insulting them isn’t part of the solution.

[TOG]

It's certainly a part of it. More people is going to lead to more "crowding" everywhere those people go, which we know leads to more spread. I'm sure there's more to it - there always is - but having more people in an area is going to make it far easier to be a hot spot than a town of 817 people in the middle of nowhere Ohio, too.

This here, folks, is groundbreaking analysis. CDC should hire you as a consultant.

More densely populated areas are more susceptible to the Global Pandemic Virus. - Thank you for sharing

[dougdirt]

This here, folks, is groundbreaking analysis. CDC should hire you as a consultant.

More densely populated areas are more susceptible to the Global Pandemic Virus. - Thank you for sharing

You're very welcome, dude. Glad you chimed in.

[paintmered]

Test was negative. It's just a run-of-the-mill head cold.