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    What to do w Joey Votto

    Still has 3 years left on his deal after 2020 - 75 Mill, Then a 4th year club option w/ 7M buyout.

    So, the club is still into him for 82 Million sunk and 3 years of contracted service remaining.


    He does not do one thing well on the baseball field anymore.

    He can not field, run or throw

    He can not hit. He does not create runs. Hit for power or average and is a giant black hole in the lineup.

    His OPS is declining 4 years running. His SLG% over his last 300+ Games is .408! FOUR ZERO EIGHT

    His SLG .394 so far this year, with 5 xbh in 20 games.


    We have all seen how the Reds mis-handle legacy and long terms players, so this situation is going to be an unmitigated disaster. I understand this is a likely controversial take, but the Reds need to DFA him and move on after this season.

    He is losing them more games than helping win, and it's going to only get worse. Time to say goodbye, sorry for wasting 5 of his best years in a never-ending rebuild, but that was the reds choice to bungle.

    He has to go, ive watched a lot of baseball in 32 years - Joey Votto is a really bad baseball player now.


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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Can he not keep batting leadoff with his .370 OBP?

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    another barry larkin, type long term deal gone south

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJ View Post
    Can he not keep batting leadoff with his .370 OBP?
    Sure as long was he quits making errors at 1B. His dWAR is already -0.5

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    First, I'll take a 109 RC+.

    Second, this is what we signed up for. When you pay your star player, you do so knowing that the back-end of the deal is going to be painful.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by DocRed View Post
    Sure as long was he quits making errors at 1B. His dWAR is already -0.5
    Yea, he needs to clean that up. Otherwise he's bound to hit a little better, still has an elite eye for the strike zone, and gets on base. He doesn't have to carry the team anymore, just set the table.
    "I never argue with people who say baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJ View Post
    Can he not keep batting leadoff with his .370 OBP?
    And have him clog the bases?!?

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    He's going to get paid no matter what right?

    Where should he go?

    Who should replace him?

    I mean... 32 years, you must know the answer right?

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    it's sad watching a great player lose it. he's not even close to the same guy who was elite at his craft.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    He's going to get paid no matter what right?

    Where should he go?

    Who should replace him?

    I mean... 32 years, you must know the answer right?
    Hed be dfa. So who cares where he went? Lol

    Reds must be the first team in the history of sports to have to replace a bad player I guess

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mred View Post
    He’d be dfa. So who cares where he went? Lol

    Reds must be the first team in the history of sports to have to replace a bad player I guess
    You want to DFA Votto?

    Goodness.
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mred View Post
    Hed be dfa. So who cares where he went? Lol

    Reds must be the first team in the history of sports to have to replace a bad player I guess
    They probably would be the first team to DFA a HOF player with a .370 OB% after 80 plate appearances in a season whilst eating 80 million bucks

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mred View Post
    He does not do one thing well on the baseball field anymore.
    I'd say getting on base at a .370 clip is doing something really well.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Berenyi View Post
    another barry larkin, type long term deal gone south
    Who?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sheed View Post
    When it comes to crow, I'd like nothing more than to eat Dick's all season long and into the postseason.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    I'd say getting on base at a .370 clip is doing something really well.
    Since 2010 these are the Reds with 200 PA in a season and at least a .370 OB%

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    OBA                           YEAR        OBA         PA   
    1    Joey Votto               2012       .474        475   
    2    Joey Votto               2015       .459        695   
    3    Joey Votto               2017       .454        707   
    4    Joey Votto               2013       .435        726   
    5    Joey Votto               2016       .434        677   
    6    Joey Votto               2010       .424        648   
    7    Shin-Soo Choo            2013       .423        712   
    8    Joey Votto               2018       .417        623   
    9    Joey Votto               2011       .416        719   
    10   Jesse Winker             2018       .405        334   
    11   Ryan Hanigan             2010       .405        243   
    12   Joey Votto               2014       .390        272   
    13   Zack Cozart              2017       .385        507

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