Replace Votto scenarios that are realistic. Moose to first Galvis to 2b. Garcia to SS.
Suarez to 1b. Moose to 3b. Rest as above.
Or maybe just play Votto at 1b and realize that he’s no longer Votto or old and give him a less prominent role in the lineup.
faffy42 (08-24-2020)
HammerTime (08-20-2020),Revering4Blue (08-20-2020)
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
Ron Madden (08-20-2020)
Votto was a 1.9 WAR player last year. He's overpaid for what he currently does but acting like he should be cut is beyond silly and shouldn't even be part of the discussion.
BillDoran (08-20-2020),bm1475 (08-20-2020),Old school 1983 (08-20-2020)
Cursh14 (08-20-2020),Hoosier Red (08-20-2020),Phoenix2 (08-20-2020)
It's not about Votto's feelings, it's about finances. If you enjoyed Joey Votto as an MVP-caliber player, then you have to accept this part.
The going rate for a star was was it was. Either you're going to have to pony up on the front end (for instance $35 million) or spread it out (10-12 years).
This isn't about a clear-sighted and honest assessment of player talent; what you're expressing is a desire to disregard the financial realities of the game. (This is all assuming nearly no major league organization would eat the remainder of Votto's contract.)
Nobody wants to watch Votto struggle. Pretending we can just wish it away doesn't solve anything
Coopdaddy67 (08-20-2020),Cursh14 (08-20-2020),HammerTime (08-20-2020),Hoosier Red (08-20-2020),Phoenix2 (08-20-2020),RedlegJake (08-20-2020),Ron Madden (08-20-2020)
As they say, "father time is undefeated". Votto is a Hall of Famer if he retires today. He is/was waaaaaaaay better than Harold Baines.
Coopdaddy67 (08-20-2020),Ron Madden (08-20-2020)
GAC (08-22-2020),Hoosier Red (08-20-2020),Old school 1983 (08-20-2020),Phoenix2 (08-20-2020),Red Raindog (08-20-2020)
Personally, I would not DFA Votto as I don't think moving Moose/Saurez to 1B really solves much as the hole left at 2b/3b would be pretty big IMO. And Davidson I am not sure would be a much better 1B than Votto. But the lessons I'd learn are:
1. Votto doesn't deserve to hit in the middle of the batting order based upon reputation. So let's not manage around Joey's ego and his place in Red's history. If we feel we have better hitters at the 1-5 spot...then Joey needs to move down in order or just put him leadoff and see if his OBP holds up enough to be reasonable.
2. Please...don't ever do another long term deal. The Larkin, Griffey and now Votto deals kill payroll in the end and inhibit us to pay guys that can actually be star power dudes. We are going to lose 1-2 starting players next year because we can't pay them due to Joey's nice 25M contract sitting here playing bad defense at 1b and hitting for crap average with zilch power numbers. That ain't close to worth 25M and we get to enjoy this for 3 more years.
We need a front office that thinks like the Oakland As and keeps guys for value contracts and doesnt' do this nonsense of paying for "star" power...whatever that means to begin with.
Bruce Berenyi (08-20-2020),foster15 (08-20-2020)
Votto's OBP (.370) is 50 points higher than everybody not named Winker (.493) and Castellanos (.352). That's why he's batting 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
The Oakland A's haven't won a World Series or AL pennant in 30 years. Hopefully the Reds don't try to emulate them.
Fact is, the Reds have plenty of money to compete, even with Votto's contract on the books. He's made the organization a ton of money throughout his career and his contract is already paid for. If they wanted to base his salary on production value, he'd have several years where he would be worth upwards of 40 and even 50+ million. Teams don't want to do that though, they want to spread it out.
Ron Madden (08-20-2020)
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