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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by madeirawood View Post
    That certainly is amazing. And not one RBI on the road.
    Is that the sound of trash cans banging at home games?
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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Votto's home/away splits this year are insane!

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...&year=2020&t=b

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    Split	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+
    Home	18	76	63	14	23	3	0	6	12	13	8	.365	.474	.698	1.172	.347	204	204
    Away	17	68	59	6	5	2	0	0	0	9	15	.085	.206	.119	.325	.114	-12	-6
    So at home he is Bonds circa 2003, on the road Aaron Harang.
    Easy solution, bat him third at home, make him a starting pitcher on the road.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Votto's home/away splits this year are insane!

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...&year=2020&t=b

    Code:
    Split	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+
    Home	18	76	63	14	23	3	0	6	12	13	8	.365	.474	.698	1.172	.347	204	204
    Away	17	68	59	6	5	2	0	0	0	9	15	.085	.206	.119	.325	.114	-12	-6
    So at home he is Bonds circa 2003, on the road Aaron Harang.
    Updated, it really is amazing. Check out the BABIP too...

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    Split    G GS PA AB  R  H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
    Home    20 20 83 68 16 25  3  0  8  14  0  0 15  9 .368 .482 .765 1.247 52   2   0  0  0   1   0  .333   215   222
    Away    23 23 94 83  9  9  3  0  1   2  0  0 11 22 .108 .213 .181  .393 15   3   0  0  0   0   1  .133     4    12
    Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
    Generated 9/15/2020.

    Good news is, he should rake over the next 9 games.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    I am so glad he got rid of that crotched down batting stance and returned his hands high and more up right. He looks way more fluid and driving the ball. Hope he NEVER goes back to that ridiculous stance. He needs to stay with this stance the rest of his career

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    If this team makes the playoffs and has a chance once they get there, Votto needs to hit well. Hopefully tonight's 3-4 will get him rolling.

    Everyone needs to hit better, but Votto is this team's leader, and I'm convinced the offense will be better if he's hitting like his old self.
    (Referring to Jack Hannahan signing with a Korean team)
    Since there are no teams on the moon, I guess South Korea's far enough from Cincinnati to satisfy me.
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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by OGB View Post
    If this team makes the playoffs and has a chance once they get there, Votto needs to hit well. Hopefully tonight's 3-4 will get him rolling.

    Everyone needs to hit better, but Votto is this team's leader, and I'm convinced the offense will be better if he's hitting like his old self.
    He is hitting like his old self (or even better) at home. If he can bring his away form up a few notches than bam. But man, his record at home this season is incredible. OPS at 1.158 right now! In 2010, it was 1.024 overall. If he carries the Reds at home games, then someone else can step up at the away games.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    The leadoff experiment? Bad. Joey's crouch, overthinking phase? Bad. #3, just rake.....really good.
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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    After close to 400 posts, is there a consensus on what they should do with Votto?
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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    After close to 400 posts, is there a consensus on what they should do with Votto?
    I've decided that they should encourage Votto to continue hitting the baseball hard.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    i wonder if the front office would ask Votto to restructure his contract so it defers out to 8 years, instead of $82 million for the next 4 years, they see if Votto would defer and take 10 million for the next 8 years and give him the remaining 2 million at the end of that 10 years? They have to pay him 82 million no matter what. Maybe this helps the Reds go get more pieces, A Shortstop and Maybe Bauer or his replacement for 2021..

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    $82 million over 10 years is not worth nearly as much as $82 million over 4 years. Future dollars are always worth less than present dollars.
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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    $82 million over 10 years is not worth nearly as much as $82 million over 4 years. Future dollars are always worth less than present dollars.
    I believe the Reds team would be improve by cutting him. Maybe another team would pick him up and pay some of what he is owed.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by scotly50 View Post
    I believe the Reds team would be improve by cutting him. Maybe another team would pick him up and pay some of what he is owed.
    They wouldn't have to, they'd get him for the minimum

    The Reds would pay everything owed

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfan6272 View Post
    i wonder if the front office would ask Votto to restructure his contract so it defers out to 8 years, instead of $82 million for the next 4 years, they see if Votto would defer and take 10 million for the next 8 years and give him the remaining 2 million at the end of that 10 years? They have to pay him 82 million no matter what. Maybe this helps the Reds go get more pieces, A Shortstop and Maybe Bauer or his replacement for 2021..
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    $82 million over 10 years is not worth nearly as much as $82 million over 4 years. Future dollars are always worth less than present dollars.
    They wouldn't have to restructure it like that but Redsfan has a good point. The budget is the biggest problem and the uncertainty of any attendance in 2021 doesn't help.

    If they could move $5M-$10M from what Votto will be paid in 2021 to down the road it would make it easier to make the kind of moves that the Reds need to make to compete in 2021.

    As things stand right now Votto will be paid $25M in each of the next 3 years with a $20M club option for 2024 that has a $7M buyout.

    2021 $25M
    2022 $25M
    2023 $25M
    2024 $20M option with $7M buyout.

    Would he consider something like this:

    2021 $20M
    2022 $22M
    2023 $25M
    2024 $20M option with $15M buyout.

    Every little bit of extra room in the budget helps. I wonder if they've asked him about the possibility.
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    They wouldn't have to restructure it like that but Redsfan has a good point. The budget is the biggest problem and the uncertainty of any attendance in 2021 doesn't help.

    If they could move $5M-$10M from what Votto will be paid in 2021 to down the road it would make it easier to make the kind of moves that the Reds need to make to compete in 2021.

    As things stand right now Votto will be paid $25M in each of the next 3 years with a $20M club option for 2024 that has a $7M buyout.

    2021 $25M
    2022 $25M
    2023 $25M
    2024 $20M option with $7M buyout.

    Would he consider something like this:

    2021 $20M
    2022 $22M
    2023 $25M
    2024 $20M option with $15M buyout.

    Every little bit of extra room in the budget helps. I wonder if they've asked him about the possibility.
    These are things you negotiate beforehand, Bronson and Griffey took huge deferrals. I doubt very seriously they'll ever be in a desperate enough spot to propose this to Joey. Any salary clawback attempts will come from MLB itself, and won't target individual stars.


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