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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    He could be the new Reds announcer...

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Here's to hoping this thread leads Votto to go on a Winker-like tear.

    If it does, please start a thread about Suarez next.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    When you have a losing record you get these reactionary threads....
    99% of all numbers only tell 33% of the story so when looking at the numbers remember that numbers is plural...

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    When you have a losing record you get these reactionary threads....
    For 6 consecutive years. Yeah!

    This isnít reactionary. The writing is on the wall and heís only getting worse

    Costing the team and a drag on winning.

    Im sure itís gonna magically be better in a year. Or 2. Or 3.

    I think we could do better than negative production.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    When you have a losing record you get these reactionary threads....
    sarcasm? because i don't think anyone is talking just about votto's 21 games this season. it's the last 3 years combined. he appears washed-up, both at the plate and in the field. large sample size we are talking about at this point. certainly not reactionary.

    reactionary was people ripping on winker after 5 games this season.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mred View Post
    For 6 consecutive years. Yeah!

    This isnít reactionary. The writing is on the wall and heís only getting worse

    Costing the team and a drag on winning.

    Im sure itís gonna magically be better in a year. Or 2. Or 3.

    I think we could do better than negative production.
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    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   OBA  SLG   OPS
    2015 Reds         31  158   545   95  171  33   2  29   5.32   80  143  135   11   3  .314  .459  .541 1.000 
    2016 Reds         32  158   556  101  181  34   2  29   5.22   97  108  120    8   1  .326  .434  .550  .985 
    2017 Reds         33  162   559  106  179  34   1  36   6.44  100  134   83    5   1  .320  .454  .578 1.032 
    2018 Reds         34  145   503   67  143  28   2  12   2.39   67  108  101    2   0  .284  .417  .419  .837 
    2019 Reds         35  142   525   79  137  32   1  15   2.86   47   76  123    5   0  .261  .357  .411  .768 
         TOTALS           765  2688  448  811 161   8 121   4.50  391  569  562   31   5  .302  .426  .503  .929 
         LG AVERAGE            2688  373  694 139  16 102   3.80  356  269  657   42  16  .258  .330  .434  .764 
         POS AVERAGE           2688  397  705 150  11 137   5.11  427  342  705   22   9  .262  .349  .476  .825

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    He does seem to be sliding into Padres-era Brian Giles mode where fans thought they were getting a power hitter and instead all he does is walk. Having said that, I agreed with the extension when it happened and he has overall produced extremely well.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    The time to ask this question was after the 2016 season when he was performing like an MVP and would have returned a couple of top prospects in addition to unloading his money. The team was tanking anyway. Most of Redszone did not agree.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    2020 Joey Votto trivia: JV struck out just once in his first 51 PA this season.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    I feel like these next four years will really help distinguish between different kinds of Reds fans.

    Votto's in a decline. He's 36 and getting old every single day. It's going to be painful for all involved, including Joey.

    Some fans will accept the decline, remember the absolute star that he was and hope for the best.

    Others will gnash their teeth, scream and howl, blame Dick Williams, excoriate Walt Jocketty and begin hating Joey Votto.

    Be the good fan. Understand aging happens and signing stars comes at a cost.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    2020 Joey Votto trivia: JV struck out just once in his first 51 PA this season.
    At least his feelings aren't hurt.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by BillDoran View Post
    I feel like these next four years will really help distinguish between different kinds of Reds fans.

    Votto's in a decline. He's 36 and getting old every single day. It's going to be painful for all involved, including Joey.

    Some fans will accept the decline, remember the absolute star that he was and hope for the best.

    Others will gnash their teeth, scream and howl, blame Dick Williams, excoriate Walt Jocketty and begin hating Joey Votto.

    Be the good fan. Understand aging happens and signing stars comes at a cost.
    His absolute worst season (2019) was still league average at the plate. Hopefully he can at least do that through the end of the deal. He's earned his money for sure.

    I don't know about fans of other teams, but "blame the best players" is absolutely embedded in the culture of Reds fans. Frankly, it sucks.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    I don't feel like anything that he does individually on the field over the next four years is going to enhance is HOF chances. But a World Series title (appearance) or two can't hurt. The Reds should just go ahead and win the next two or three, for Joey.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by BillDoran View Post

    Some fans will accept the decline, remember the absolute star that he was and hope for the best.

    Others will gnash their teeth, scream and howl, blame Dick Williams, excoriate Walt Jocketty and begin hating Joey Votto.

    Be the good fan. Understand aging happens and signing stars comes at a cost.
    This is hilarious - so amazing to hear the 2 camps.

    I want votto off the team, cause they will be better without him, and for him to get his money and that's that.

    No hate. But, they are worse with him on the field, and its going to continue getting worse.

    How about this? I want the reds to be competitive, something they havent been in 6 years, and rarely over 25 years.

    Playing a terrible player because of the money owed will only hurt the team. no one cares about vottos feelings lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    I don't feel like anything that he does individually on the field over the next four years is going to enhance is HOF chances. But a World Series title (appearance) or two can't hurt. The Reds should just go ahead and win the next two or three, for Joey.
    He's not a Hall of famer, so who cares? He deff is a Reds HOFer, right next to Dunner.

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    Re: What to do w Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by bm1475 View Post
    His absolute worst season (2019) was still league average at the plate. Hopefully he can at least do that through the end of the deal. He's earned his money for sure.

    I don't know about fans of other teams, but "blame the best players" is absolutely embedded in the culture of Reds fans. Frankly, it sucks.
    It's the absolute worst thing about rooting for the Reds and it's practically de rigueur

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