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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Gooden didn't sit out 3 of the 4 seasons ahead of his debut. Greene will be the next Finnegan if they bring him up too soon. Stick him in a big league rotation after a limited inning base, ride him hard for 30+ starts, never hear much about him again. The difference is that Greene has had even fewer innings, is younger than Finnegan at the time and has already had a major arm injury. Unless he's going to become the successor to Iglesias, leave him in the minors for a couple years.
    Greene is at a different talent level than Finnegan.

    They must be careful that he’s healthy and they shouldn’t overwork him, true.

    But they can’t put him on the Stephenson/Reed/Romano gestation plan - which wasn’t slow enough for some on here.

    If you leave Hunter Greene in the minors long enough you will never see his best stuff in the major leagues.
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    Re: MLB.COM Farm System Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Greene is at a different talent level than Finnegan.

    They must be careful that he’s healthy and they shouldn’t overwork him, true.

    But they can’t put him on the Stephenson/Reed/Romano gestation plan - which wasn’t slow enough for some on here.

    If you leave Hunter Greene in the minors long enough you will never see his best stuff in the major leagues.
    He just turned 21. He's pitched zero innings in 2020 as a 20 year old. He pitched zero innings in 2019 as a 19 year old. He pitched a whopping 68 innings in 2018 as an 18 year old. He pitched four innings at the end of 2017 as a 17 year old and that was after shutting himself down as a Senior in High School. He's not ready to hold up to big league hitters working him. He'll be used up before Memorial Day. He might have the stuff to get some guys out. I think he should be in the Reds pen right now. But if he's going to be a starter, he needs a couple seasons building his innings count against lesser hitters who will be less likely to wear him out.

    Dwight Gooden had roughly 350 innings pitched in the minors during his age 17 and 18 seasons before debuting at age 19 and making 31 starts. Gooden wasn't coming off of TJ either.

    Stephenson and Reed were ready from an innings perspective when they debuted. They had other issues. Reed had the Yips and Stephenson couldn't get the ball over the plate. They ended up where those limitations took them. Greene is a completely different situation. He simply needs to pitch before trying to hold up to the grind of being a big league starting pitcher. We'll see where his talent is when he gets there, but he won't be ready to start in the big leagues next year and probably not the next either.

    Greene isn't Gooden, Stephenson or Reed. He's in his own situation and it's not like any of those guys were. I agree he's better than Finnegan, but Finnegan was in a similar situation innings wise except Greene's is much more extreme.
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    Re: MLB.COM Farm System Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    He just turned 21. He's pitched zero innings in 2020 as a 20 year old. He pitched zero innings in 2019 as a 19 year old. He pitched a whopping 68 innings in 2018 as an 18 year old. He pitched four innings at the end of 2017 as a 17 year old and that was after shutting himself down as a Senior in High School. He's not ready to hold up to big league hitters working him. He'll be used up before Memorial Day. He might have the stuff to get some guys out. I think he should be in the Reds pen right now. But if he's going to be a starter, he needs a couple seasons building his innings count against lesser hitters who will be less likely to wear him out.

    Dwight Gooden had roughly 350 innings pitched in the minors during his age 17 and 18 seasons before debuting at age 19 and making 31 starts. Gooden wasn't coming off of TJ either.

    Stephenson and Reed were ready from an innings perspective when they debuted. They had other issues. Reed had the Yips and Stephenson couldn't get the ball over the plate. They ended up where those limitations took them. Greene is a completely different situation. He simply needs to pitch before trying to hold up to the grind of being a big league starting pitcher. We'll see where his talent is when he gets there, but he won't be ready to start in the big leagues next year and probably not the next either.

    Greene isn't Gooden, Stephenson or Reed. He's in his own situation and it's not like any of those guys were. I agree he's better than Finnegan, but Finnegan was in a similar situation innings wise except Greene's is much more extreme.
    Bottom line, Greene should spend next year in the minors with a view towards the major leagues on opening day 2022. He’s been throwing this year and one more full minor league season should be enough.

    If Reds want to be cautious when he joins the big club give him some relief work for awhile. But they can’t assume that Greene will retain his great stuff until his later twenties. It doesn’t always happen.
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    I don't think there's a human alive who can accurately rank farm systems this year. Assuming they get back to playing next year, I expect a bunch of kids to come out of nowhere and become the next big thing (whether they're from the Reds organization, can't say).
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    Re: MLB.COM Farm System Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I don't think there's a human alive who can accurately rank farm systems this year. Assuming they get back to playing next year, I expect a bunch of kids to come out of nowhere and become the next big thing (whether they're from the Reds organization, can't say).
    Not only that, I wouldn't be surprised to see guys that were legitimate prospects at the end of 2019 fall off the radar.

    It'll be interesting to look back in 5-10 years and see how 2020 impacted player development.

    Next year's draft is going to be nuts.

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    Coddle thy pitchers, challenge thy hitters....

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