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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    It might be a better option to keep Barnhart until the trade deadline. Catchers seem to get moved at that time. Just a couple weeks ago we saw Austin Hedges, Robinson Chiniros, Austin Nola, and Jason Castro all get moved. In 2019, Max Stassi and Martin Maldonado got moved at the deadline. I suspect that would be the point where Barnhart has the most value.
    I just want his money off the books. I don't care if they get a bucket a balls in return. I want to take the money from Barnhart, Disco and Galvis and keep Bauer and use whatever is left over on a targeted need.
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    If Bell's still around for 2021, I imagine he'll be fighting tooth and nail to keep Tucker because he bats from the left side. That's part of why I think Bell has to go. His obsession with handedness goes too far and has probably cost the Reds a few wins. Sometimes a righty batter needs to face a righty or a lefty batter needs to face a lefty because they're simply the best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitri View Post
    Nah, Tucker's handling of the staff is overrated. And his bat is absolutely brutal. It's time to move on.

    I'll take Casali's pop and extra year of control over whatever intangibles Barnhart brings.
    Casali is connected with Johnson. I'd imagine that handling of the staff would be in his favor and I think he's a solid defender. Make the move and hand it to Stephenson with Casali as a clear 35% of the time tandem guy. Barnhart as the incumbent "starter" waiting in the wings just adds pressure Stephenson doesn't need.
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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I just want his money off the books. I don't care if they get a bucket a balls in return. I want to take the money from Barnhart, Disco and Galvis and keep Bauer and use whatever is left over on a targeted need.
    Casali is arb eligible next year. He’ll make close to what Tucker is set to make, $4.6M. Money shouldn’t be an issue in deciding between the two.
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    Casali is arb eligible next year. He’ll make close to what Tucker is set to make, $4.6M. Money shouldn’t be an issue in deciding between the two.
    No the premise is I don't want both of them. Based on talent, I'd rather have Casali.
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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Casali is arb eligible next year. He’ll make close to what Tucker is set to make, $4.6M. Money shouldn’t be an issue in deciding between the two.
    I think he'll make a bit less than $4.6MM, and there's another year of control for the Reds to keep or trade him. And he's better.

    I'm sort of tired of the "he keeps the pitchers happy" refrain with Tucker. I'm just not buying it. Sure he's been a leader, but how much can you truly lead when your bat ends in an out more than any other guy on the team and you're sent back to the dugout cursing every 3 innings?

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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Corky Miller is angry over some of the posts in this thread
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    How much of a leader is he? The complaint I keep hearing is that the team isn't ready to play. Leadership is supposed to address that. He might be a decent leader. It really isn't helping anything though.
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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Corky Miller is angry over some of the posts in this thread
    Why does he care if Casali is actually better at all the things Barnhart is touted for.
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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Why does he care if Casali is actually better at all the things Barnhart is touted for.
    Ignoring that this claim is blatantly false, Miller would be angry that people are minimizing the benefit that Barnhart has on the pitching staff.

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    Ignoring that this claim is blatantly false, Miller would be angry that people are minimizing the benefit that Barnhart has on the pitching staff.
    Johnson is the guy handling the pitching staff and Casali is the guy he wanted. I see no evidence that Barnhart is better at handling the pitchers than Casali. I also don't see evidence that he's better otherwise defensively. Its reputation based on what exactly? Because Barnhart came up through the system and is familiar??

    Barnhart is alright, but if I could only keep one (and they should only keep one), I'd keep Casali.
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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    No the premise is I don't want both of them. Based on talent, I'd rather have Casali.
    Personally, I hope the Reds trade both of them, and sign a cheap veteran backup catcher and hand Stephenson the starting job. I think we both agree on this.
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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Curt Casali has an OPS near 900.

    I fail to see why anyone would want to get rid of him in any capacity.

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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Quote Originally Posted by podgejeff_ View Post
    Curt Casali has an OPS near 900.

    I fail to see why anyone would want to get rid of him in any capacity.
    He has a career OPS of .725. That isn't much better than Barnhart's .695 career OPS.
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    Re: Catcher Stephenson's defense

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    He has a career OPS of .725. That isn't much better than Barnhart's .695 career OPS.
    It's actually 30 whole points better.
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