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    Re: Epic songs

    Unlikely anyone else links to this, but it's ridiculously good. And live:


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    Re: Epic songs

    Or, for that matter, this gem. Any time you can use a train as part of the song, you know it's epic:

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    Re: Epic songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    Springsteen is not epic. Springsteen is a great performer and an soulful empathic man, but that is different from epic.
    Wagner, Mahler, Beethoven, Sibelius, Bruckner are epic.
    If I had to pick one piece - Also sprach Zarathustra by Richard Strauss.
    Close second: 3rd movement of Beethoven’s string quartet in A minor, Op. 132 - titled “Holy song of thanks to the godhead from a convalescent, in the Lydian mode”. He wrote this masterpiece without ever hearing the notes. He was deaf. It is the 250th anniversary of Beethoven’s birth in1770.
    LOL

    Nobody asked about what sort of men people were.

    According to you, Springsteen is a great performer and "empathic" man, but he isn't epic.

    That wasn't the question. The question was epic songs.

    And Born to Run and Thunder Road are epic songs.

    Looking down your nose at things like popular or rock music and comparing them to Wagner and Beethoven- get a life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    LOL

    Nobody asked about what sort of men people were.

    According to you, Springsteen is a great performer and "empathic" man, but he isn't epic.

    That wasn't the question. The question was epic songs.

    And Born to Run and Thunder Road are epic songs.

    Looking down your nose at things like popular or rock music and comparing them to Wagner and Beethoven- get a life.
    1. Your note here once again displays your ignorance of music and more basically, your inability to understand other people.
    2. I love pop and rock music and that means I listen to more than 70s80s arena rock. That is why I see through Springsteen’s pseudotragic beautiful-loser fatalism. The Ronettes, from NY/NJ, did the beautiful loser fatalism better in the 60s with the help of Phil Spector who tried, and succeeeded, to make epic pop hits.
    3. I brought up classical epics because Springsteen was so transparently pretentious, And mock-operatic in his whole approach. I guess you fell for the affect, which is fine, but it’s also a pretense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    1. Your note here once again displays your ignorance of music and more basically, your inability to understand other people.
    2. I love pop and rock music and that means I listen to more than 70s80s arena rock. That is why I see through Springsteen’s pseudotragic beautiful-loser fatalism. The Ronettes, from NY/NJ, did the beautiful loser fatalism better in the 60s with the help of Phil Spector who tried, and succeeeded, to make epic pop hits.
    3. I brought up classical epics because Springsteen was so transparently pretentious, And mock-operatic in his whole approach. I guess you fell for the affect, which is fine, but it’s also a pretense.
    Listen, Im ignorant on many things, music isnt one of them.

    There is a certain crew who thinks complex music is automatically better. No, some of the best songs ever written are simple compositions.

    Anyway- to come on some message thread about epic songs and start knocking Springsteen, who, let's face it has moved more people than Bach, is pretentious blubber.

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    Re: Epic songs

    Curious: can fast paced songs be epic?

    If so, I submit “Do the Evolution” by Pearl Jam.

    I guess I’m not entirely sure what the definition of “epic song” is but to me it’s a song that is timeless and really sticks in your head during certain times. After the debate Tuesday I watched the video and can’t get it out of my head. It’s borderline scary how accurately Eddie nailed the trajectory of american society in that song.

    Another “epic” punk song to me is “Wasted Days” by Cloud Nothings. A loser kid from Ohio writes a song where he ends it screaming “I thought I would be more than this” over and over again. Really nails being a middle class kid from the rust belt.

    “Hunger Strike” by Temple of the Dog
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    Re: Epic songs

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Curious: can fast paced songs be epic?

    If so, I submit “Do the Evolution” by Pearl Jam.

    I guess I’m not entirely sure what the definition of “epic song” is but to me it’s a song that is timeless and really sticks in your head during certain times. After the debate Tuesday I watched the video and can’t get it out of my head. It’s borderline scary how accurately Eddie nailed the trajectory of american society in that song.

    Another “epic” punk song to me is “Wasted Days” by Cloud Nothings. A loser kid from Ohio writes a song where he ends it screaming “I thought I would be more than this” over and over again. Really nails being a middle class kid from the rust belt.

    “Hunger Strike” by Temple of the Dog
    Epic is in the ear of the beholder in this situation, so yes, a fast paced song can absolutely be epic (to you).

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    Re: Epic songs

    I’ve got a couple one-off live ensemble performances that come to mind when I read this thread title:



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    Re: Epic songs

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    I’ve got a couple one-off live ensemble performances that come to mind when I read this thread title:



    RightVerb and I occasionally watch the cover of My Guitar Gently Weeps. Prince's solo is definitely what makes the song epic.
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    Re: Epic songs

    Where does American Pie fit in this list?
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    Re: Epic songs

    Quote Originally Posted by OldRightHander View Post
    Where does American Pie fit in this list?
    dessert,

    aja DJ bathroom music.

    Yeah, it definitely qualifies.
    And no birds sing - Keats

    The ditch is nearer - Lowell

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    Re: Epic songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    1. Your note here once again displays your ignorance of music and more basically, your inability to understand other people.
    2. I love pop and rock music and that means I listen to more than 70s80s arena rock. That is why I see through Springsteen’s pseudotragic beautiful-loser fatalism. The Ronettes, from NY/NJ, did the beautiful loser fatalism better in the 60s with the help of Phil Spector who tried, and succeeeded, to make epic pop hits.
    3. I brought up classical epics because Springsteen was so transparently pretentious, And mock-operatic in his whole approach. I guess you fell for the affect, which is fine, but it’s also a pretense.
    I am curious to get your opinion of the music on NYC Serenade. Sure there is the mock-opera element to the lyrics but what is your feeling on the music itself. (I'm not being snarky but rather just curious as to your opinion.) You will want to jump ahead to about :47 for the actual start of the song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    I am curious to get your opinion of the music on NYC Serenade. Sure there is the mock-opera element to the lyrics but what is your feeling on the music itself. (I'm not being snarky but rather just curious as to your opinion.) You will want to jump ahead to about :47 for the actual start of the song.
    Great arrangement. Very moving piece. The respect and commitment to the melody, and the theme, inspire top quality performances. Makes me think of the Blue Nile’s first two albums, A walk across the rooftops and Hats.
    Highlight song - Saturday Night - chorus is “ an ordinary girl will make the world alright. She’ll love me all the way. It’s Saturday night.”
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    Re: Epic songs

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    3. I brought up classical epics because Springsteen was so transparently pretentious, And mock-operatic in his whole approach. I guess you fell for the affect, which is fine, but it’s also a pretense.
    I just don't buy your opinion here, man.

    Springsteen's lyrics are a grab-bag, but when he's right, he's incredible. "Ghost of Tom Joad" is epic. So is "Born to Run." (The arrangement and driving energy of the piano and sax solo is insane.)

    I wouldn't consider either song pretentious at all.

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    Re: Epic songs

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Curious: can fast paced songs be epic?

    If so, I submit “Do the Evolution” by Pearl Jam.

    I guess I’m not entirely sure what the definition of “epic song” is but to me it’s a song that is timeless and really sticks in your head during certain times. After the debate Tuesday I watched the video and can’t get it out of my head. It’s borderline scary how accurately Eddie nailed the trajectory of american society in that song.

    Another “epic” punk song to me is “Wasted Days” by Cloud Nothings. A loser kid from Ohio writes a song where he ends it screaming “I thought I would be more than this” over and over again. Really nails being a middle class kid from the rust belt.

    “Hunger Strike” by Temple of the Dog
    When it came out on the "Yield" album I remember (in my youth) thinking musically it was ahead of its time. But now, those lyrics man...

    Woo
    I'm ahead, I'm a man
    I'm the first mammal to wear pants, yeah
    I'm at peace with my lust
    I can kill 'cause in god I trust, yeah
    It's evolution, baby
    I'm at piece, I'm the man
    Buying stocks on the day of the crash
    On the loose, I'm a truck
    All the rolling hills, I'll flatten 'em out, yeah
    It's herd behavior, uh huh
    It's evolution, baby
    Admire me, admire my home
    Admire my son, he's my clone
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
    This land is mine, this land is free
    I'll do what I want but irresponsibly
    It's evolution, baby
    I'm a thief, I'm a liar
    There's my church, I sing in the choir:
    (Hallelujah, hallelujah)
    Admire me, admire my home
    Admire my son, admire my clones
    'Cause we know, appetite for a nightly feast
    Those ignorant Indians got nothin' on me
    Nothin', why?
    Because it's evolution, baby!
    I am ahead, I am advanced
    I am the first mammal to make plans, yeah
    I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher
    2010, watch it go to fire
    It's evolution, baby
    Do the evolution
    Come on, come on, come on


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