Rojo (09-23-2020)
The main reason why we shouldn’t rush a vaccine is that we don’t know if they work. The first two stages mostly test safety. It’s the third stage that tests efficacy. This takes time because we need to send those involved in the stage three test to go out into the world and see if they are immune from the virus. That takes months.
The downside to sending out an untested vaccine to the whole world is multiple:
1) It wastes time, money and resources. You mass produce an untested vaccine, and you delay the mass production of one that passes a stage three test. Remember, we are talking about making billions of tests. There are only so many places that can make them.
2) It will take months to know if it works. If we assume that it works, and open up the world back to normal again, and it doesn’t work, that means a catastrophe. Millions of dead, and sending the world to a place worse than when the pandemic started. If we assume it doesn’t work, then what is the point? We would keep the world shut down for months until we know that it works. Which is what we would be doing if we just did a standard stage three test. Nothing gained.
3) If anything goes wrong, it adds fuel to the anti-vaxxer arguement. It likely means fewer people trust a vaccine that does go through testing and proves to be effective. It sets the entire scientific world back and makes any improvements so much harder, not just for this pandemic, but for all world health issues.
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Rojo (09-23-2020)
It’s been explained to you before.
Things are open. But people aren’t doing as much business because the virus is still out there and we don’t have it under control like we should have by now. It doesn’t matter how much you open things up if the numbers are so high that people are scared to go back to normal.
All the data from around the world tells the opposite of what you are arguing. That we need to shut things down more, not less.
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alwaysawarrior (09-21-2020),Rojo (09-23-2020)
Rojo (09-23-2020)
We are seeing around a 1,000 deaths a day, for many months now. It has not slowed. It has plateaued.
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That isn't true at all. People are going out and places are maxed out, but capacity is very limited and the hassle just isn't worth it to stand in line for an hour. Hence, most of the unemployment is in the service industry. Right now, you can't even go out and watch an evening football game without leaving in the 3rd quarter, so people just say f' it or have parties at home.
What we see with our own eyes is a scarcity of anyone being affected by this, and it's nothing like was predicted. I know exactly one person that tested positive, and he didn't even know it and was getting tested for other reasons. That is the experience of most people, unless they work in an assisted living center or have Facebook friends who know 20 people who died. About 1 out of 10,000 people have died in southern Ohio that wasn't already in a nursing home, and assuming that the average person has maybe 20 friends, it's unlikely that the pandemic is going to threaten their inner circle to the point where they won't go out for a pizza. Most people are not scared.
People are spending, but money shifted. Funny enough, I flew out west for a job a couple of weeks ago to help out a manufacturer that makes aluminum beer cans and beer kegs. I kid you not, there must have been 100,000 empty beer kegs in a field next to the plant, and they said there at least a million more spread around the country because things like ballparks and fairs are shut down. So, they are spending massive money to build out their can lines because people are drinking beer at home now. The money is there and being spent, but the service industry is throttled, which employed many more than a bottling plant.
alwaysawarrior (09-21-2020),KittyDuran (09-21-2020),Rojo (09-23-2020)
Here's the thing though. Those things are all open now, for the most part. I've been out to eat. Not going to bars or movie theatres though. Why?
Because they aren't fun anymore. COVID precautions, and the constant reminders of the risk, absolutely ruin the experience for me.
What I'm saying is, it's not the chicken or the egg with the economy and COVID closures. There's another element. Kind of a catch-22 when you think about it. OK fine so it's all open now. Full capacity for Reds games, at your own risk, for example. All surrounding bars open, full capacity allowed.
I'm not getting near any of that until I know what is really going on with COVID. Many others feel the same.
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KittyDuran (09-21-2020),mth123 (09-20-2020),Revering4Blue (09-20-2020)
The facts don’t back up the narrative you are spinning:
https://www.businessinsider.com/harr...aurants-2020-7
Poll finds 60% of Americans aren't ready to start dining out again, and it shows why restaurants being allowed to reopen won't prevent mass closures
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Yeah....this. I used to be able to say "well I don't really know anyone personally who is dealing with it currently". But that number is growing every week. Contrastly, the news seems to downplay it more every week. It's the polar opposite of what it was for me from March to August. (I knew no one personally who had it, but it was dominating the news.)
It's flipped. And that is strange to me.
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KittyDuran (09-21-2020)
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