COVID-19, Part VIII - heading into flu season

[757690]

I agree with your premise. A few things though:

There are varying degrees of certainty. Remembering AIDS from the 1980s, right now I'd say we are just beyond the toilet seat wiping, gay-bashing point of the virus.

But it's more complicated than that. There are many entities manipulating data/information/news(?) for their own agendas. So from traditional news, to social media, to the data itself, it has all been compromised, as I mentioned earlier. Garbage in, garbage out. We. don't. know. ****.

Now, to the part of your quote bolded above... Yes these things save lives in regard to COVID. These things save lives in regard to all viral infections, I would guess. But to what end? Our economy is in shambles. Supply chains are breaking down. Unskilled labor is out of work. Skilled labor is out of work. The cost of goods and services has gone through the roof. This is not just because of COVID, but also because of our reaction to COVID.

My gut feeling? Things are going to need to change dramatically if we are going to pull up from this. That is going to require inspired leaders. I'll leave it at that.

Trudeau (Canadian PM, not the Far Side artist, lol) gave a great speech about this the other day, I'll try to dig up.

You hit on the key point, the key deciding factor. But it’s not a clear either/or. The choice isn’t between opening up and having a thriving economy vs. closing up and having a bad economy.

Italy and early China revealed that staying open, staying normal, during this pandemic, results in massive death and illness. It wipes out the economy far worse than the shut down. The question is not either/or, but what balance to strike.

Right now, this country has opened up further than most. Most stores are open, restaurants are open with outdoor dining. Bars are open up to a point. Even casinos are open. Schools are opening up. What is closed in any place where people stay inside, in close quarters, for hours at a time.

This has resulted in 1,000 deaths a day and a slight bounce back of the economy. That unskilled labor that is out of work, would be on the front lines, in high risk jobs if we opened up further, meaning they would suffer significant illness and death. We would be sacrificing them, so that we could have everything open.

There are no good answers. It’s not as if we could open up fully and get the economy back at full strength. As long as the virus is out there, and there is no vaccine, the economy nor our lives will not get back to normal.

[RiverRat13]

Folks in my industry always say we are on the forefront of the economy. We see the bad or good times months before every other industry. Right now we are just keeping things moving as much as possible and we are watching this all happen around us. I’ve got coworkers who have been doing this for 25 years and they don’t even know what to say. It’s crazy. Never seen anything like this. I hope people read my last post and understand I am not be cynical or alarmist. This is happening and has been for about 2 months. November and December are going to extremely hard on this country, it’s just the beginning, and not because of the virus. ****s about to get real real.

Soooo... you're saying we should start stocking up on food and essential items?

[Redhook]

Well for that NFL is hiding stuff group, the Titans just had at least 7 positives and are shut down until Saturday and likely won’t play this weekend. They played the Vikings Sunday, so they are shut down today too for more testing.

Bummer. That stinks. Well, I guess they’re not hiding anything. I’m still very surprised it took this long witH how quickly it hit other sports with much less participants. Hopefully, the Vikings won’t have any positive cases.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Bummer. That stinks. Well, I guess they’re not hiding anything. I’m still very surprised it took this long witH how quickly it hit other sports with much less participants. Hopefully, the Vikings won’t have any positive cases.

The NFL had positive cases and issues all through the summer, there just weren't any games and they didn't have any reported massive outbreaks, just cases here and there. They also had the benefit of watching all the other sports and seeing what works and doesn't work and what the players can and can't do off the field.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Well for that NFL is hiding stuff group, the Titans just had at least 7 positives and are shut down until Saturday and likely won’t play this weekend. They played the Vikings Sunday, so they are shut down today too for more testing.

So it appears that the Titans actually had a coach test positive on Saturday. They then played the Vikings on Sunday. They then had a bunch of positive tests that were taken on Monday. The NFL is saying to the press that games for the Titans and Vikings are on for Sunday.

The NFL is going to show that they are much worse than MLB who shut down games for longer periods (and baseball is way less of a contact sport than the NFL). I predict that this is going to be quite the xxxxshow.

[M2]

So it appears that the Titans actually had a coach test positive on Saturday. They then played the Vikings on Sunday. They then had a bunch of positive tests that were taken on Monday. The NFL is saying to the press that games for the Titans and Vikings are on for Sunday.

The NFL is going to show that they are much worse than MLB who shut down games for longer periods (and baseball is way less of a contact sport than the NFL). I predict that this is going to be quite the xxxxshow.

So the NFL's COVID testing is as thorough as its PED testing?

[Strikes Out Looking]

Titans-Steelers game postponed, may play Monday or Tuesday. Another Titan showed up positive overnight. I'm amazed how cavalier the NFL is compared to how baseball waited days to play games when large amounts of teams were positive.

[dougdirt]

Soooo... you're saying we should start stocking up on food and essential items?

*places $750 order of tuna, pasta, canned vegetables for pick up tomorrow*

*buys freezer*

*Buys $1000 of meat to freeze for pick up the day after the freezer is delivered*

[Strikes Out Looking]

Titans-Steelers game postponed, may play Monday or Tuesday. Another Titan showed up positive overnight. I'm amazed how cavalier the NFL is compared to how baseball waited days to play games when large amounts of teams were positive.

Two more Titans positive, game postponed indefinitely. Interesting to watch the NFL navigate this.

[Rojo]

Folks like Rojo, on the other hand act like they know everything there is to know about this and it’s silly to take precautions.

FTR, I was against forcing people to stay home. That's a gross civil liberties violation. But I was ok with shuttering businesses for a while to "flatten the curve" and allow our healthcare systems to prepare even though I thought this was probably being overblown.

But I even regret that -- two weeks has turned into six months and we're not even pretending we need to make more ventilators or whatever.

And now it's very clear that this is NOT 1918 and still the lockdown authoritarians won't budge.

[Rojo]

For those interested in science.

[Reds Freak]

FTR, I was against forcing people to stay home. That's a gross civil liberties violation. But I was ok with shuttering businesses for a while to "flatten the curve" and allow our healthcare systems to prepare even though I thought this was probably being overblown.

But I even regret that -- two weeks has turned into six months and we're not even pretending we need to make more ventilators or whatever.

And now it's very clear that this is NOT 1918 and still the lockdown authoritarians won't budge.

Who was forced to stay home?

[Rojo]

Who was forced to stay home?

In SF I was forced off a park bench for the crime of reading.

[Roy Tucker]

Trump is going to self-quarantine after Hope Hicks tests positive.

[Boston Red]

Trump is going to self-quarantine after Hope Hicks tests positive.

Hopefully his phone needs to be quarantined away from him.