2020 Bengals Thread Part 2: New Era or More of the Same?

[WVRed]

Title says it all

[KoryMac5]

Myles Garrett on Burrow

"The guy is tough, He took a lot of shots, and he bounced right back up. He was still putting deep ones on the money and he always kept his eyes downfield. He was never really worried about the rush unless it was really on him. That is better than some veteran quarterbacks.”

[KoryMac5]

I think the D can be fixed guys just have to get healthy Atkins and Daniels are big parts of the D that gave 200 yds rushing and they are missing.

The line will not be fixed this year...Burrow is getting hammered and Mixon has no room to run, anything he creates it takes all out effort for him to get 5 yds.

Good to see Sample step up after he was labled a bust.

How good is Brandon Wilson he's the ghost of Stanford Jennings back there.

[forfreelin04]

I think the D can be fixed guys just have to get healthy Atkins and Daniels are big parts of the D that gave 200 yds rushing and they are missing.

The line will not be fixed this year...Burrow is getting hammered and Mixon has no room to run, anything he creates it takes all out effort for him to get 5 yds.

Good to see Sample step up after he was labled a bust.

How good is Brandon Wilson he's the ghost of Stanford Jennings back there.

I'll add defensive ends to the mix here. Hubbard, Lawson, and Dunlap have been beyond pedestrian these first two weeks. That will also not be fixed during the year. Having Atkins back might help them a bit, but Dunlap seems like he's aged rapidly the past two seasons while Hubbard may be the most below average d lineman to be treated like a star in the Bengals media book.

[KoryMac5]

I'll add defensive ends to the mix here. Hubbard, Lawson, and Dunlap have been beyond pedestrian these first two weeks. That will also not be fixed during the year. Having Atkins back might help them a bit, but Dunlap seems like he's aged rapidly the past two seasons while Hubbard may be the most below average d lineman to be treated like a star in the Bengals media book.

No push in the interior means you can get guys like Hubbard, Dunlap and Lawson trying to go wide all the time...Atkins should help as will Daniels. I agree the play has been uninspired, linebackers were substandard last night with Von Bell leading us in tackles from his safety spot.

It's a mess right now...

[forfreelin04]

No push in the interior means you can get guys like Hubbard, Dunlap and Lawson trying to go wide all the time...Atkins should help as will Daniels. I agree the play has been uninspired, linebackers were substandard last night with Von Bell leading us in tackles from his safety spot.

It's a mess right now...

Indeed. A mess. Funny how the only time a Bengals D lineman was in Baker's face he threw a pick!

[bucksfan2]

Burrow is better than I expected. Two games in a short period of time without Rookie Minicamps and without a preseason is a tall task.

Tee Higgins may end up becoming a good WR, but he should have never been that pick. They should have gone with the best T or G.

The next draft has to be T and G in that order.

Their key players are getting old and look to be slowing a step. Dunlap failed to get much pressure last night, AJ looks slow, and Atkins has been unable to see the field.

Thursday night games suck.

[KoryMac5]

Burrow is better than I expected. Two games in a short period of time without Rookie Minicamps and without a preseason is a tall task.

Tee Higgins may end up becoming a good WR, but he should have never been that pick. They should have gone with the best T or G.

The next draft has to be T and G in that order.

Their key players are getting old and look to be slowing a step. Dunlap failed to get much pressure last night, AJ looks slow, and Atkins has been unable to see the field.

Thursday night games suck.

Saw someone on twitter post

Rd 1 OL
Rd 2 DL
Rd 3 OL etc...right down through

Bad thing about it is they have attempted to address the line and just end up whiffing...they do have the kid from Miss St that they picked up from Miami at this point a guy working at Krogers in the meat dept would be better than what they have on the right side.

[WVRed]

Saw someone on twitter post

Rd 1 OL
Rd 2 DL
Rd 3 OL etc...right down through

Bad thing about it is they have attempted to address the line and just end up whiffing...they do have the kid from Miss St that they picked up from Miami at this point a guy working at Krogers in the meat dept would be better than what they have on the right side.

Hey!

[WVRed]

Burrow is better than I expected. Two games in a short period of time without Rookie Minicamps and without a preseason is a tall task.

Tee Higgins may end up becoming a good WR, but he should have never been that pick. They should have gone with the best T or G.

The next draft has to be T and G in that order.

Their key players are getting old and look to be slowing a step. Dunlap failed to get much pressure last night, AJ looks slow, and Atkins has been unable to see the field.

Thursday night games suck.

Two things scare me with Burrow moving forward and neither of them are in his control:

1. If the offensive line doesn’t improve, he will not make it through the season. Period.

2. If he does make it through the season he is going to be playing from behind because of how bad the defense is. If he averages anything close to what he did last night passing Tim Couch might be an accurate comparison. The difference is Couch did his damage playing for Hal Mumme/Mike Leach at Kentucky.

[KoryMac5]

Two things scare me with Burrow moving forward and neither of them are in his control:

1. If the offensive line doesn’t improve, he will not make it through the season. Period.

2. If he does make it through the season he is going to be playing from behind because of how bad the defense is. If he averages anything close to what he did last night passing Tim Couch might be an accurate comparison. The difference is Couch did his damage playing for Hal Mumme/Mike Leach at Kentucky.

Burrows strengths are his curse...he is able to get away from pressure and he is very poised in the pocket, plus he wants to win. So doing what it takes to win is getting him hammered which long term is counter productive. the post game quotes are horrifying in regards to that...

[RiverRat13]

Tee Higgins may end up becoming a good WR, but he should have never been that pick. They should have gone with the best T or G.

The next draft has to be T and G in that order.
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This mindset is how you end up panic picking Billy Price when Frank Ragnow goes right before. There wasn't a guard or tackle worth taking at #33. Hopefully there is an offensive lineman worth taking with wherever they pick in the first round this year. But you don't force it. The better plan would be to give AJ Green's money to Joe Thuney in free agency.

[bucksfan2]

This mindset is how you end up panic picking Billy Price when Frank Ragnow goes right before. There wasn't a guard or tackle worth taking at #33. Hopefully there is an offensive lineman worth taking with wherever they pick in the first round this year. But you don't force it. The better plan would be to give AJ Green's money to Joe Thuney in free agency.

I don't know, I get what you are saying, but I don't think at the time Price was a bad pick, just never turned out. Still think he should get a shot at G this season.

Just a brief look at who went within 10 picks of Higgins you see Gross-Matos (DE), Hunt (G), and Blacklock (DT) who all played positions of need. They could have traded down, I am sure there were a lot of takers if they had entertained that.

Then when they went WR in the 2nd, Jonah Jackson was sitting there in the 3rd who could have shored up the G position but they ended up going LB (which was fine.)

I think WR is a luxury position, and the Bengals should have been pretty well off with Boyd, Green, Tate, Ross, and Thomas this season.

[Kingspoint]

I don't know, I get what you are saying, but I don't think at the time Price was a bad pick, just never turned out. Still think he should get a shot at G this season.

Just a brief look at who went within 10 picks of Higgins you see Gross-Matos (DE), Hunt (G), and Blacklock (DT) who all played positions of need. They could have traded down, I am sure there were a lot of takers if they had entertained that.

Then when they went WR in the 2nd, Jonah Jackson was sitting there in the 3rd who could have shored up the G position but they ended up going LB (which was fine.)

I think WR is a luxury position, and the Bengals should have been pretty well off with Boyd, Green, Tate, Ross, and Thomas this season.

It's a bad pick if it doesn't work out. That means that their "professional" assessment is no better than some idiot internet dude. They are supposed to know things that you and I don't because they have full access to the player, their tapes, interviews with their coaches, the ability to hire their own coaches that know what they are doing. Clearly the Bengals have a problem in that area and that makes any pick that doesn't work out a bad pick, even the ones like Ross who we knew had injury issues coming in and continued to have them throughout his career. Then there's the issue of Bengals' draft picks, higher draft picks, always getting injured. That's not a coincidence.

[bucksfan2]

It's a bad pick if it doesn't work out. That means that their "professional" assessment is no better than some idiot internet dude. They are supposed to know things that you and I don't because they have full access to the player, their tapes, interviews with their coaches, the ability to hire their own coaches that know what they are doing. Clearly the Bengals have a problem in that area and that makes any pick that doesn't work out a bad pick, even the ones like Ross who we knew had injury issues coming in and continued to have them throughout his career. Then there's the issue of Bengals' draft picks, higher draft picks, always getting injured. That's not a coincidence.

I think you are simplifying the draft quite a bit. Its not a crap shoot, but its far more difficult than you make it seem. You see guys all the time who some people were very high on bust, and others with major concerns go on to have very successful careers.

The Bengals are where they are because they whiffed on too many drafts. They whiffed on Ced and Jake Fisher, they missed on Ross, they missed on Price. They tried to rebuild their line through the draft by failed at doing so.