Whoa damn
I mean it get it. I wonder if it was him or someone else that pulled off some of the trades like for Castillo or Gray or whoever, I hope they still have some input.
Whoa damn
I mean it get it. I wonder if it was him or someone else that pulled off some of the trades like for Castillo or Gray or whoever, I hope they still have some input.
The Cubs won 97 games after just 3 years of tanking.
The White Sox had a .599 winning % after 3 years of tanking.
The Astros also at this point had a stacked farm system, as did the Cubs and White Sox. That, more than the lack of winning is the most damming part of Williams’ tenure. He never re-built the farm system. It’s in just as bad shape as it was when he became GM.
It really takes a lot of squinting to see Williams’ tenure as a success.
Hoping to change my username to 75769024
REDREAD (10-08-2020)
RedlegJake (10-07-2020)
I didn't see this coming but I can't say I'm surprised. Remember that Reddit chat he did a little over 3 years ago? This was one of the responses to a question posed to him and my response in the thread:
Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
For me, it is being on call 24/7. I have 4 kids under the age of 8 and the fact that they prevent me from getting much sleep at home, makes it tough! We play 162 games in 180 days plus 45 days of spring training with 30+ games. And we have Fall League, Instructional League, the GM and winter meetings, free agency and arbitration. Not really a slow time. But the way the phone rings in the middle of the night is the hardest part to get used to.This makes me wonder if he's going to be a long-term GM. Four kids under the age of 8 is gonna be tough for someone who has a job where's on call 24/7. I'm sure being an assistant GM was tough enough but now that he's got the big gig, it's a lot of pressure. He's going to miss a lot of stuff with his kids and he's going to have to decide if it's worth it. But, then again, I remember JimBo had young kids when he was GM and it didn't seem to give him too many problems.
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I'm with you. Not every move has been perfect, but I think in general his performance has been pretty good. If Castellini was willing to live with Jocketty for so long, I have a hard time believing that he would force out Williams after making the playoffs. And yes, people can point to this only being a 60 game season where they finished 31-29, but it's foolish to judge a GM on 60 games.
The Puig, Wood, Kemp trade was a disaster, and that's the only really bad mark on his record IMO. I'm sure he wishes he could have that one back. Of course, Alex Wood being hurt the whole season really ruined it, but those prospects are now much more valuable than what they got back (although, with the Dodgers success in developing prospects, who knows if they would have had the same success with the Reds).
Overall, Williams moved the team in the right direction, and I think that was probably relatively hard considering how stubborn Castellini has been in the past. The fact that Kyle Boddy had multiple teams trying to sign him, and he chose the Reds is telling. Hopefully the next GM is able to build on what Williams started and make it even better.
alwaysawarrior (10-07-2020)
I still insist that Williams didn’t do anything really exceptional in terms of bringing this team up to date when it comes to analytics. The Driveline stuff was cool, that’s about the only standout thing he really ever did in that regard.
I’m curious to see if the home run or bust offense philosophy disappears with Dick now.
757690 (10-07-2020),REDREAD (10-08-2020),tripleaaaron (10-07-2020)
There are examples on both sides of examples done well, and badly.
I'd say the Reds results ended up near the middle by being a legit (Im saying this based on a 162 game expectation) in year 2. Many teams took longer or never got there.
Its not a glowing success, but I think earned more time to see it through. Its not a cut and dry fireable offense.
Hillsdale87 (10-07-2020)
The coup has failed.
Go Gators!
First thought, Rejoice!! Now, this means we will have an active of season here on Redszone.
REDREAD (10-08-2020)
Beyond his record as GM/president, I think one of the more damning things is that the Reds are still just an 80-85 win team and that’s after splurging on B-tier free agents, and for having tanked and been as awful as they were for as long as they were, the minor league system is still relatively lean.
If you’re going to go all in on sucking for as long as you have, you better come out the other side prepared to do something more interesting than claw on for one of the last playoff spots. Especially in a year where they’re expanded.
tripleaaaron (10-07-2020)
Also last take that I have on this - I think it’s another big black mark on Williams’ record that for drafting as highly as they did in his tenure, they are still pretty awful at developing prospects into successful major leaguers.
Senzel is looking pretty underwhelming so far. Trammell was kind of a bust. Greene has had mixed results when he’s on the field. The guys they inherited like Reed, Robert Stephenson, and Garrett were all busts or fell far below their ceilings. They completely misidentified talent in their own system with the LA trade, and now those players are starting look like actual impact prospects.
For all the talk of how he brought them into the modern age in analytics, it did absolutely nothing to help them actually have a successful farm system. They still have a ton of work to do in that area.
REDREAD (10-08-2020)
I think Williams realized that he’d taken the team as far as he could given his personal situation. I will never criticize someone who says he’s making a change to be a better husband and better father. I know I’ve made sacrifices in my career for my family. I just don’t think being a president of operations of a major league franchise allows for something like that. It’s an all-in kind of thing. He didn’t want to pay that price any more.
She used to wake me up with coffee ever morning
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